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ieri
Pie
(10/31/02 10:20:32 am)
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Running RttToEE outside of Greyhawk
I'm going to be starting my own online campaign soon (plan to use kLoOge.Werks, unless someone can come up with another software package that doesn't pale in comparison). I intend to start with the Sunless Citadel (level 1 characters) and then run RttToEE, possibly throwing in some random encounters between the two to get the characters up to level 4 if possible.

However, I know nothing about Greyhawk. I've only ever played in Forgotten Realms. I've read a good bid of RttToEE, though I haven't nearly finished reading it, so I may be asking this a bit prematurely, but how practical would it be to move it to Realms (I was thinking somewhere in the Western Heartlands).

I figured Iaz could be replaced with Cyric. I know there's a chart for changing major dieties in the FRCS, but what do I do with the less major dieties? And what other problems am I likely to face if I try this?

-Ieri

Fellwind 
Pie
(10/31/02 12:18:37 pm)
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Re: Running RttToEE outside of Greyhawk
I run in FR. I worked around some of it by working in the major Greyhawk gods in as "Elder" gods.

Then I didn't have to do anything to the source material.

"You must not Ph34r, Ph34r leads to anger, anger leads to hate. Hate leads to beatdowns, and B34td0wnz Sux0r."

Tribal28
Pie
(10/31/02 12:35:48 pm)
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Re: Running RttToEE outside of Greyhawk
Well here are a few suggestions. I know a lot more about Forgotten Realms but I’ve been studying up on Greyhawk for a while. I’m curious about where in the Western Heartlands you would be running this. I’m going from memory here so bear with me if I get stuff mixed up.
There are a few things to consider. You need a mountain range or at least some hills that could hold a dwarven mining community. You also need a small town to take the place of Hommlet (but you can make that up anywhere) but you do need a large city that could take the place of Verbobonc (if only to provide the characters with a place to purchase better equipment and sell loot). Alos keep in mind that the temple is not placed near an ocean and the Western Heartlands has a substantial coast line. (this could lead to alternate methods of travel to larger cities. Sailing up the Sword Coast to sell items at Baldur’s Gate or Waterdeep for example.
I’m sure there are other places to put the adventure but here is one idea that has stuck in my head. In the Troll Hills. There is a small town called Kheldrivver that could function as Hommlet and there is a fairly small and rough pirate town on the coast there that could function as Nulb (the distance between the 2 is actually a few days but you are the DM and can change that a bit. There is also Larloch’s Crypt (sometimes called Warlock’s Crypt) that is in the hills. It is said to be a city of undead ruled by Larloch, an ancient lich who some say lived in the time of the Netheries. That could function as the Crater Ridge mines. You’d just have to create a group of displaced dwarves in the area. I can see a problem here already but its not huge – there are no dwarven settlements in that area never mind any big mines. That’s all I have off the top of my head for location.
As for the change of Gods….Well you could use Cyric to replace Iuz but Iuz only plays a small part in the current adventure. He did however play a larger role in the history. Maybe you could use Bane’s son, Xvim, to replace the historical stuff about Iuz (the time line is a bit off but it might work)
The good gods are fairly easy to replace….And I know there is a list in the Forgotten Realms book….I’d say go with that.
You don’t really need to replace the Big T. His power, according to a lot of what I have read is much like Ao’s (Ao is the god of the gods in the Realms) Big T is more of a Power than a god. Just make him the Ying to Ao’s Yang. He is the force that wishes to UNMAKE everything that Ao has made. Of course you are introducing a totally new deity into the Realms. If you don’t want to do this you could replace Big T with Cyric (who is also mad) but that just doesn’t hold the same effect. Cyric is very well known and it takes something away from the adventure if the players know who the priests are worshiping.
Another sticking point is Thrommel. (No not the moderator of the boards, the one in the adventure) He is a famous noble in Greyhawk. I can’t think of any characters in the Realms who you could replace him with and have it still work. I’m sure there are some out there but I can’t think of them. You could always make up a person and wind that character’s history into one of the PC histories. Ok well this has gotten a lot longer than I wanted it to. I’ll quit for now.

Tribal

ieri
Pie
(10/31/02 1:07:50 pm)
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Re: Running RttToEE outside of Greyhawk
The more I think about it, and the more I read of RttToEE, the more I think I'll just put it in Greyhawk.

A big part of my problem is I don't even know Realms all that well. I never played D&D before 3E, and I've been playing that for only about a year. I've read a handful of the Realms books since then, but my knowledge is still rather limited.

-Ieri

Tribal28
Pie
(10/31/02 1:37:12 pm)
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Re: Running RttToEE outside of Greyhawk
Ieri,
A good group of books to get that help you learn the Realms (especially if you want to set the game in the Western Hearlands) is the old (based on second edition) Volo's Guide books. I think they may be out of print but you might be able to pick them up at a used book store or on e-bay. They don't have any stats or rules dependant material in them. Basically they are writen from the point of view of a FR character, Marco Volo. They have a ton of info about the FR and lots of adventuring hooks too. I recomend Volo's guide to the Sword Coast

Though you will probably have an easier time just keeping it in Greyhawk. This is the first Greyhawk adventure that I have ran and I've had to learn alot. I learned some from the 3e sourcebook and more from on these boards. I also learned alot from old modules that I had kicking around and some more from all the different sources on the web. This board is great for that kind of info. Keep reading the posts and you'll learn alot. Also if you have the time do a google search of Greyhawk. There are whole web communities based on the setting that give great info.
Good luck

Tribal

HeresDaryl
Pie
(11/1/02 12:52:23 am)
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Re: Running RttToEE outside of Greyhawk
I'm running the module in the realms, in the sword-coast-north as it happens, and I've found it easy to convert.

I set the CRM in the Dessarin hills, northeast of Waterdeep. I used the town of Yartar for Hommlet and the town of Beliard for Rastor, and just stuck Nulb a little further upriver from Yartar. Everything is roughly within the same sort of range as in the Greyhawk setting, and obviously Waterdeep tales the role of Verbobonc.

As to Thrommel, you could always use Elaith Craulnober (you can check him out in the FRCS hardback) if you want to have a recognizable character in that role - depending on how much your players know about FR??

As for the Gods, I'd leave the references to Iuz as they are, even in the realms there are always Demon cults springing up and gradually fading away. If you really want to change it to something realms specific, either Cyric or maybe Shar might be suitable (since they are the two deities most actively trying to usurp other gods and portfolios).

Definitely, Tharizdun is fine as he is...he's not supposed to be widely worshipped anyway. Substitute temples of Lathander for Pelor and Tyr for St Cuthbert in Hommlet and you should ok.

Siobharek 
Orc
(11/1/02 4:23:09 am)
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Re: Running RttToEE outside of Greyhawk
If you're not dead set on playing in the Realms, there's really nothing wrong in running it in Greyhawk. Remember that the entire adventure takes place in a fairly limited locale, the Viscounty of Verbobonc.

If you check the Best of the Boards, I've shamelessly enough entered a "Politics in Verbobonc" entry that details some of the background to the adventure. In that thread, you'll also find links to an online 'zine called the Oerth Journal. Issues 8 and 9 contain articles that really give you all the information you need.

I hope this helps -and good luck with your campaign. :)

Siobharek
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ZansForCans
Pie
(11/1/02 10:34:52 am)
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OT: On-line gaming with GEAS
Can't help but plug a little here since you asked ;) Although we don't intend to do anything like Werks, if you want a good on-line system for joint authoring, check out GEAS (links in my sig below). It's deliberately not RPG-specific (so there's no map/character management or die rolling like Werks), but the development is geared for our playing enhancement. It includes permissions so you can have private pages/notes/topics for yourself or among specific players. Check the first post in my log thread for access to our RTEE GEAS campaign.

Right now we use it mostly for campaign organization and between session gaming. One of our long-time members moved away recently and he started up a GEAS-only campaign. I think it would be perfect for anyone thinking about doing a PbEM campaign, especially if you have heavy RP/fiction motivations for play (over hack 'n slash).

Version 2 is in active development and is based around a more generic low-level interface (XML-RPC and/or SOAP), which should allow other types of front ends to interact with the content than just the current web interface (like blogging clients).

Oh, and it's all GPL and free... The only caveat is that we don't offer hosting of campaigns ourselves right now on our main site. I may set up such a thing on another box I administer so anyone who is interested feel free to get in touch with me via e-mail: haffner at codefuries dot com.



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chefhermes
Pie
(11/3/02 9:38:37 am)
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Re: OT: On-line gaming with GEAS
I also placed RttToEE in the Forgotten Realms, in the eastern part of the Western Heartlands. Cormyr is where Thrommel is from, the former Baron-in-waiting of Arabel (His aged mother is the current regent there.) The hamlet of Eagle Peak substited for Rastor, and I skipped the whole first part of the adventure, Hommlet, Nulb, and all. I placed the moathouse (very heavily converted) near Berdusk, along with a few other adventures to get them up to level. The main reason that I skipped the early part of the adventure is that one of the players had already purchaced RttToEE, and started to read it before I started up my campaign. Also, one of the other players had been through Hommlet several times (and ran it several other times) in 1st Edition.

Also, for other Ideas you may want to search the boards for "Forgotten Realms" many others have set the adventure here.

Good Luck,
Hermes

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