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Infiniti2000
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(11/6/02 10:52:46 am)
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Prestige Classes
Some of my party (we just started RttToEE though I have been reading and prepping for months now) are considering prestige classes. In particular, they are considering Fatespinner, Order of the Bow Initiate, and Dungeon Delver.

In particular, does anyone have experience with these PrC's in RttToEE?

In general, are there any PrC's that should be avoided (for any reason, overpowered, underpowered, etc.) when running RttToEE?

My thoughts on Fatespinner are that the DC's of spells can get extraordinarily high, but compared to the First's....they are nothing.

Andorax
Orc
(11/6/02 1:42:04 pm)
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Re: Prestige Classes
All are excellent choices for this adventure, and none seem grossly overpowered. Remember, that Fatespinner may be gaining DCs, but he's giving up more powerful spells with the lost spell levels.

OBI's aren't any more overpowered than well-feated and well-statted fighter/rogues. No big issue there.

As for Dungeon Delvers...traps aren't a tremendously huge feature of the module, and the skills it'll grant will make the adventure more enjoyable, and harm or take away...nothing. I'd say you're 100% go for it on these.

Then again, I'm a proponent of Prestige Classes in general, and feel that PCs need all the help they can get in RttToEE.

"Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"

ronin
Pie
(11/6/02 5:52:51 pm)
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prestige classes
I am with Andorax on this issue. I am in favor of prestige classes. Not only do they add options for players to choose in the game they give a DM an opportunity to use them for RP purposes.

Every prestige class in my campaign is linked to an organization that has certain interests, goals, etc. In order for the PC to gain levels in a PrC they must join these organizations. In return for learning the abilities that the PrC gives them access to they are required to further the goals of the organization in which they belong. Generally I allow the player to come up with the organization and their purposes/ goals. If it isnt too crazy then we add them to the campaign.

I wouldnt like them as much if they were just used as PC classes are and the players just chose them as they wanted. I like the added RP opportunity they bring to the game. If anyone else has a good way to use them in a campaign please post the idea. I always like to hear about a great idea.

Almost forgot to answer the original question here. I dont see any issues with any of the above PrC either. I'll think all of them will work fine with RttToEE.

ronin

Siobharek 
Orc
(11/7/02 2:41:40 am)
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Re: prestige classes
The cleric in our group is taking levels in the Fatespinner class (he's a priest of the goddess of fate, so I tweaked the class), and it works out OK. It'll be their loss (especially ability and level wise) that he won't be able to turn anything of any importance - go get him Thrommel! - but the class seems to be working out great for him.

OBI - the ftr/rng/rog in our group is basically an OBI thanks to the feats and stats that Andorax mentioned, and it's actually a Good Thing™.

I have no experiences with the Dungeondelver other than won't it be hard to meet the guild aspect of the PrC?

Siobharek
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madfox
Orc
(11/7/02 3:37:19 am)
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Re: prestige classes
The dungeon delver is not associated with a guild. The dungeon delver does need to fullfill some difficult special requirements. I currently have got a PC in the Banewarrens who wants to take the class and because I do not like specialist PrC too much, I did design an organisation for it. It is much more fun that way, because it forces the players to connect with the campaign outside the direct adventure. It doesn't look too disbalancing. The only difficult thing is the blindsight, which has got a duration of 10 minutes, but not a number of times it can be used in one day.

Siobharek 
Orc
(11/7/02 3:40:44 am)
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Re: prestige classes
Oh, must be mistaken then (the curse of not having your books at work). I thought Delvers had to have some guild affiliation. Or is that Thief-Acrobats (beginning to think so).

Siobharek
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Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

madfox
Orc
(11/7/02 3:47:47 am)
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Re: prestige classes
Yep, that are the thief acrobats. Still, with a bit of work it should not be too difficult to use guilds in RttToEE. As I said, doing so will add depth to the campaign.

Infiniti2000
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(11/7/02 7:16:12 am)
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ezSupporter
Re: prestige classes
Thanks a lot for the responses. I definitely plan to add in the RP aspect of PrC's (see my campaign log thread if you wish). Since the wannabe fatespinner and dungeon delver (DD) created a character at 4th level, I gave them a little break and allowed them to already meet the unusual requirement. Granted, the big stone block in the dwarven temple could help the dungeon delver meet his requirement, I'm not sure I want to plan on it! :)

The fatespinner will be very interesting, because he has amnesia. In fact, his background (the player doesn't know it) is that he was an apprentice of Tessimon who was told to take "the test" on the Infernal Machine, but escaped, and the hugely traumatic experience, coupled with the power of the device, caused him to lose his memory while he was escaping the ToAC. He will not get his memory all back until he actually sees the device. He has already heard the name Tessimon, and she will remember him, but he still will not remember the true story.

The elf DD has spent a long period of time with the dwarf cleric of Moradin under the mountains. I gave him some stories of fighting against drow in the Underdark and achieving a couple of levels while down there. Re: blindsight, I told him 1/day, which I think is the intent because it is very powerful. Does blindsight see through walls?

On the Order of the Bow Initiate...I'm not sure what RP aspects I could use. Perhaps, he will have to join (At least officially) a Robin Hood-type of gang from the forests surrounding Hommlet. Kella could put him in touch with them, perhaps she has heard of his prowess...they haven't met her yet. I think his induction into the guild will require a lot of thought so that he gets really interested in the character.

Trithereon
Pie
(11/7/02 9:36:41 am)
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Blindsight?
You gave him the Blindsight special quality? So, it's more like a spell-like ability then an extraordinary ability, since it's 1/day? How long's the duration? What's the range?

Does Blindsight see through walls? I don't think so. The definition describes it as using nonvisual senses, such as sensitivity to vibration, scent, acute hearing, or echolocation, the creature maneuvers and fights as well as sighted creatures. Invisibility and darkness are irrelevant, though the creature still can not descern ethereal beings. The creature usually does not need to make Spot or Listen checks to notice creatures within range of its blindsight ability.

This seems overpowered for a PC. Are you sure you didn't mean to give him Darkvision 1/day?

Siobharek 
Orc
(11/7/02 12:43:20 pm)
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Re: Blindsight?
Nope. 2nd lvl Dungeon Delvers get blindsight 20'. It's an extraordinary ability, but it takes a standard action to activate and it lasts 10 minutes. At 8th lvl, blindsight range goes up to 40'. It's in the Song & Silence Splatbook, duration, activation'n'all.

Siobharek
...it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Infiniti2000
Pie
(11/7/02 12:43:48 pm)
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ezSupporter
Re: Blindsight?
"You gave him the Blindsight special quality? So, it's more like a spell-like ability then an extraordinary ability, since it's 1/day? How long's the duration? What's the range?"

Egads! No! :eek I apologize for the confusion. As per the Dungeon Delver prestige class, when he gets high enough level to achieve it, he will get blindsight 20' radius for 10 minutes, and then later on 40' radius. A previous poster asked how many times per day, and I replied I plan on allowing only once because it is so powerful. I would never hand that out, though! :)

In actuality I gave him no powers, just the prerequisite for the prestige class (one of three possible choices), which IMO was not too bad because he had to start at 4th level.

Trithereon
Pie
(11/7/02 1:44:23 pm)
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Re: Blindsight?
Ah, my apologies for speaking from ignorance. I don't own that particular book and was obviously confused.

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