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Traulen 
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(11/21/02 1:49:08 am)
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Raise dead 101
Hello,

I know this post is a little off topic but there are so many rules gurus over here.... And it is the consequence of my group last action in the MoatHouse...

So : I've had one of my players raised and the PHB is, IMO, a little 'light' on the level loss subject :
If a player was 4th level before being raised, does he lose the bonus characteristic point he was awarded at 4th ?
If he was 3rd level, does he lose the last feat he earned ?
What about the spells earned at level change ?
What about special abilities like barbarian rage ?
...

'What happened ?' some might ask : my group was in the altar room and the cleric decided to light the brazier. Everyone told him not to do that but he really wanted to know what it could do... Then, he suggested that he could ring the chimes while the fighter would be beating the drums... Let's say that every body in the group shouted at him not to do that ! But you know how everyone reacts when told not to do a thing... He succeded in invoking the big flamming eye and managed to have the rogue dead, the fighter with a permanent loss of 8 points of strength and the wizard gone insane... whereas his will save was successfull...

Now, the cleric has become the official torch bearer and walks far away from the group....


Btw, two other questions coming to my mind:
- do you consider the altar to be a trap with a CR 5 and thus award experience points accordingly ?
- do you think invoking the flamming eye has to be considered an evil action ?

Thank you for your answers...
Traulen

Edited by: Traulen  at: 11/21/02 1:51:46 am
Killiak
Pie
(11/21/02 2:03:46 am)
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Re: Raise dead 101
Raising drops ya down a level and it takes away everything you earned at that level. Feats, spells, abilities, stat points
THE WORKS!

as for your questions:
1) It's a trap and it went off. They certainly learned from it :evil Award the poor guys

2)Heck yeah! He is a cleric and he starts playing around with the stuff from a weird god? By now he SHOULD know that these guys and their god are evil! I'd classify it not only as evil, but also as stupid

edit: just read the PhB. If the Flaming Eye is a Death Effect, then Raise Dead won't work. It says so in the PhB

Edited by: Killiak at: 11/21/02 2:09:49 am
Monte Cook
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(11/21/02 2:06:17 am)
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Re: Raise dead 101
If a player was 4th level before being raised, does he lose the bonus characteristic point he was awarded at 4th ?

Yes.

If he was 3rd level, does he lose the last feat he earned ?

Yes.

What about the spells earned at level change ?

Gone.

What about special abilities like barbarian rage ?

Anything gained is gone.

He's exactly like a character of 1 level less.

Monte
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madfox
Orc
(11/21/02 3:51:36 am)
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Re: Raise dead 101
What? They still allow that character to stay with the group after he did something so stupid against the wishes of the whole group? You would think that in the life-threatening situations adventurers tend to get in you really need to trust your companions not to do something stupid without at least consulting you.

Of course, in the groups I run if a person wants to do something stupid, the other PCs just make sure they are far away ;)

Infiniti2000
Pie
(11/21/02 8:19:55 am)
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Re: Raise dead 101
Although the cleric was doing most of it, remember what he said, the fighter was beating the drum! Too bad there wasn't a tentace rod in the room. Hey, maybe if you put a broken tentacle rod on the floor?

Also, I agree that the rogue cannot be raised. And, the activating of an immensely evil altar is evil. Shame on the cleric, now he should be a lousy fighter.

Traulen 
Pie
(11/22/02 1:43:13 am)
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Re: Raise dead 101
Hello, thank you for your answers...

One last question, now that I know the rogue will lose everything hardly earned :
When reaching another time his 4th level, does he have to take exactly what he had previously chosen for his character or can he change his mind and select, for instance, another characteristic in which to put his bonus point ?

Traulen

Killiak
Pie
(11/22/02 2:23:37 am)
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I don't know for sure, but I would say yes

He actually LOST the level and the bonusses, so now he gains it again and gets them again. However, he has gained different experience then he did last time, so maybe he levels up differently. So yeah, he can change his mind if he wants to.

Siobharek 
Orc
(11/22/02 5:45:23 am)
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Re: Raise dead 101
Absolutely! IMC, a tiefling wizard chose a level of ranger. Shortly after, the PC died. When he leveled up again, he chose rogue in stead. Made for a much better character.

Until he got sandwiched between Greshta the Trog rogue from the Temple of Earth and Snearak's summoned Earth Elementals of course. R.I.P.

Siobharek
...it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Xanthos Prince of Darkness 
Pie
(11/22/02 5:18:47 pm)
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Re: Raise dead 101
How do you deal with hitpoints. I had a lvl 4 Fighter lose a level so I rolled hitpoints and subtracted that amount (+Con of course). This could leave a PC with less than minimum or more than maximum so should I just adjust accordingly. Should I write down hp gained last level so I can subtract them?

Xanthos

Trithereon
Pie
(11/22/02 6:33:22 pm)
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Raise Dead - level loss hit points
You could ask the player to keep track of his hit points. There should be plenty of room on the margin of his character sheet to write down the hit points gained each level.

I figure that, as a DM, you have enough stuff to record and remember.

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