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Astaroth
Pie
(12/7/02 9:03:58 am)
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Quick question . . . need help ASAP
My group will be entering the ToAC today, and I have no idea how the huge howler's quill attack works. I have read through it several times, but it did not dawn on me till now.

Does it's quills strike anything within 10' as it is biting? Do they only strike the person it is biting at?

If you have run this encounter, or run a Howler before, any insight you could offer would be appreciated.

Thanks a million!

maddman75 
Orc
(12/7/02 9:27:28 am)
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Re: Quick question . . . need help ASAP
from the SRD

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Quills (Ex): The howler’s neck bristles with long quills. While biting, the creature thrashes about, striking with 1d4 of them. An opponent hit by the howler’s quill attack must make a Reflex save (DC 16) or have the quill break off in his or her flesh. A lodged quill imposes a -1 circumstance penalty to attacks, saves, and checks. Removing the quill deals 1d6 additional points of damage.


So, when he bites, the character it also attacked by 1d4 quills, with a +5 bonus to each. He does not have to hit with his bite, just has to attack.

For each one that hits, the character takes the listed damage in the stat block (1d4+2) and must make a reflex save DC16. For every failed save, a quill lodges into him.

A lodged quill gives the character a -1 circumstance penalty to attacks, saves, and skills. Note that (IIRC) all penalties stack, so these add up. You lose the penalty by pulling out the quill, but this does you another 1d6 damage. Removing a quill IMO would be a move equivelent action if the character has a hand free - though that is a DM judgement.

Does that clear everything up for you?

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Infiniti2000
Orc
(12/7/02 9:52:15 am)
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Re: Quick question . . . need help ASAP
Because the wording is "an opponent" rather than "the target" or something similar, I think that anyone within reach of the howler can be attacked. I would choose randomly.

Now, it says "while biting." Does this mean that the bite needs to hit? I don't think so because it would be clear if that were the case.

Killiak
Orc
(12/7/02 10:20:57 am)
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nope
The quills are separate attacks that occur when the Howler is trying to bite. The bite doesn't need to hit, that is why the quills have a separate attack bonus

maddman75 
Orc
(12/7/02 5:30:19 pm)
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Re: nope
As I read it, the howler does NOT have to hit with its quills. I would read it that the quill attack is on the character that the howler attacks. However, I suppose it could be read either way.

There's nothing in the monster FAQ about this, might try the rules forum on ENWorld if none of us give you an answer you are happy with.

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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." -- Buddha<BR><BR>
"Nothing's a cliche when it's happening to you." -- Max Payne

smetzger
Orc
(12/9/02 7:38:14 am)
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Re: nope
I agree with Killiak. When the Howler makes a full attack it not only bites but also attacks with 1d4 quills.

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