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Kylearanon
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(12/27/02 6:36:21 am)
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Black Spike before or after Recovered Temple ??
Hi there,

I don´t know if I am missing something here. But in level 9 of the Black Spike you can get 3 wishes if the character who heard the voice in the Recovered Temple is present.
That would mean, the group has to do the Recovered Temple first. Now knowing my group, I guess that they will definitely try and clear the whole CRM (including Inner and Outer Fane and even Black Spike) before going back to the temple.
Am I, as DM, supposed to discourage them from doing so? Sending them first back to the Recovered Temple and then to CRM again ?

How did other groups fare at this crossroad ? How did DM´s handle it ?

I would be greatful for any, ANY, advice handling the Outer and Inner Fane and things thereafter, anyway.

Cheers

Kyle

Andorax
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(12/27/02 7:30:39 am)
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Re: Black Spike before or after Recovered Temple ??
There's a decent chance, Kylearanon, that the group will have been to the old temple before even heading for Rastor in the first place, investigating it after the Moathouse. If that's the case, they could well have heard the voice.

However, there's plenty of things in this adventure that may well not come to pass, and it's virtually impossible for a group to manage to complete everything. Don't sweat it.

"Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"

Infiniti2000
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(12/27/02 8:17:18 am)
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Re: Black Spike before or after Recovered Temple ??
You are not missing anything, Kylearanon. Btw, Andorax, I hope the party isn't heading to the Recovered Temple after the moathouse. A group of 5th or so level characters will not be able to get very far. :)

Anyway, it's likely that the party will not set the demon free in the Black Spike, but if one hears the voice later on, they might decide to go back. Also, some parties indeed may go right to the Recovered Temple before completing the Inner Fane, due to the timeline and stopping the freeing of Big T. So, in that case, it is more likely. You're not supposed to encourage them to complete the Fanes or go to the Recovered Temple first, unless you have some sort of timeline set up. In any case, Andorax's advice is sound:
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However, there's plenty of things in this adventure that may well not come to pass, and it's virtually impossible for a group to manage to complete everything. Don't sweat it.

Andorax
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(12/27/02 9:01:21 am)
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Re: Black Spike before or after Recovered Temple ??
Infiniti2000, if I recall aright, the throne and voice are upstairs, on the Hobgoblin level, and a group of 5th level characters can indeed reach it and 'hear the voice', if they can deal with a gang of fairly nasty hobgoblins.

"Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"

Infiniti2000
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(12/27/02 9:13:19 am)
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ezSupporter
Re: Black Spike before or after Recovered Temple ??
No, the throne and voice are in room 31 (Old Nexus) in the escavated area, lower portion, past the iron golems et al.

Thrommel
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(12/27/02 9:32:50 am)
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Re: Black Spike before or after Recovered Temple ??
Hmm. I thought the throne up in area 16 of the ruined temple did the same thing.

I think you could have Zuggtmoy talk to the PC on the throne in area 16. I always felt the players wanted to experience some magic or evil if they sat in it.

In fact, IMC, I used the Obex encounter from the moathouse 32D on the player who sat on the throne and it totally freaked the party out.

So you can always swap in a particularly choice encounter if your party missed something you think would add to the story.

But as Andorax said, they're not going to hit every single thing.

-Thrommel, who's always willing to cater to a party that wants to experience some evil.

Infiniti2000
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(12/27/02 9:44:35 am)
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ezSupporter
Re: Black Spike before or after Recovered Temple ??
Man, that is a great idea, Thrommel. Where the heck where you when we were discussing the obex symbol in Love of the obex curse? :)

Personally, I can't wait till Corran Webster's group makes it to the temple. Anyone care to wager on how many deaths the group experiences in the moathouse? Each Temple level? ;)

Edit: spelling

Edited by: Infiniti2000 at: 12/27/02 10:50:10 am
Andorax
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(12/27/02 10:14:00 am)
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Re: Black Spike before or after Recovered Temple ??
I stand corrected. Apparently, having the throne "upstairs" in room 16 do the same thing was an idea someone tossed out, possably months ago. Still...no reason it *can't* be used in that manner.

I guess I just have too many leftover bits of memory of this and that...ideas posted, original ToEE bits, and so forth.

"Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"

Thrommel
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(12/27/02 10:21:14 am)
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Re: Black Spike before or after Recovered Temple ??
Hey, even though I'm undead a guy still has to sleep once in a while. If you need particular advice, you know which coffin to knock on. ;)

I think I'm in the same boat as Andorax -- maybe we old-timers are getting senile...

-Thrommel, who notes that you better knock hard if you expect me to hear you through that silence spell.

Kylearanon
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(12/27/02 3:48:18 pm)
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thx :)
Hey guys,

thanks a lot (once more :) ) !
Great advice again. I especially like Thrommel´s idea of using the obex scene. All in all now I can sit back reassured. Thanks everybody ...

Kyle, who wishes a fitful sleep for our friendly neighbourhood vampire

Cthon
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(12/29/02 4:49:18 pm)
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Recovered Temple
My players finished nearly all of the CRM, then (based on commune spells) decided to go to the Recovered Temple. They have been using hit-and-run tactics (with teleport and clairvoyance) very effectively. The bad guys have sent assassins and evil elementals against the party when they go back to town to rest. The party is now going to make an all-out assault on the Recovered Temple.

They plan to go to the Black Spike afterwards.

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