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Aluvial
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(1/4/03 12:57:12 pm)
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Hammersphere Problems
I have a dwarf of Moradin who just LOVES to use these things and I'm regreting ever giving them to him!

How do I stop the abuse of the Hammerspheres?

How many can he use at one time?

Is there anyway to strike down a spiritual weapon?

Aluvial

Siobharek 
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(1/4/03 1:42:25 pm)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
Well, if the groups hasn't met the destrachans yet, they might save the day. Other than that, you might want to retrofit the darn things a little. Make it a MEA to control one sphere. That way, the cleric will only be able to use 2 spheres.

Siobharek
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The guy from Belgium
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(1/4/03 1:58:37 pm)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
well, the spheres are pretty good!

normally, they're attacking without the need to 'control' them, and as you feared, spiritual weapons cannot be attacked...

so as siobharek says, the destrachans can 'sonically crush' them or you can retroactively tone them down...

other than that, you'll have to live with it!

however, it is only normal that characters own items or devices that make them quite powerful. PC's will not appreciate it if you suddenly tone down an item because yuo think it's too powerful!

use a 'inconspicuous' way to deal with it or accept it :D

Infiniti2000
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(1/4/03 2:36:04 pm)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
The destrachans can only destroy the spheres if they see the dwarf using them. Typically, though, the dwarf probably uses one and then puts it away. Then pulls out another next round and uses it. Then the third round, puts one away and pulls out a third. There's nothing limiting the number he can have operating at once (much like there is nothing limiting spiritual weapon or summon monster). You can houserule it, though you'll be decreasing it's power somewhat. It only operates for 7 rounds though (170-ft range) and it can be dispelled (7th level).

Siobharek 
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(1/5/03 1:42:38 am)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
Oh, there's a thought: "Put it away"? If the hammerspheres are beautifully crafted as well as being symbols (of a sorts) of Moradin, then why oh why shouldn't the cleric hold them aloft while his foes are feeling the smack-down of of Moradin?

I think it would be perfectly legitimate to require that the cleric should hold the spheres he's using. If he wants to juggle, make a Dex check (DC 20 + 1/sphere above 2. DC increases by 10 if the cleric uses only one hand) ;) .

Siobharek
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Thrommel
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(1/5/03 8:30:53 am)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
The other thing to keep in mind is that the item description doesn't indicate the BAB.

The standard take on this is that since it duplicates a spiritual weapon spell, it uses the BAB of the cleric who created it, not the wielder. The description shows a 7th level caster, so the BAB is only +5 and the duration is 7 rounds.

I also think it's reasonable to rule that you can't command the hammer to switch targets unless the sphere is held in hand. So while you could eventually get all six hammerspheres in action and just drop them upon activation, you're going to burn a lot of actions picking them up if you want to redirect them against other foes.

And note that picking up an item is a move-equivalent action that provokes an AoO.

They're still powerful items, but I think those are some reasonable ways of toning them down using the rules, rather than coming up with some complicated plan of stealing or destroying them. That's likely to just irritate the player.

-Thrommel, 2 legit, 2 legit 2 quit. Break it down!

Aluvial
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(1/5/03 8:39:04 am)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
Is retrieving an item off of your person a MEA?

So, I should use the caster BAB.... that sounds real good to me. Then I don't really care if he is holding them or not. I already put the rule in that it was a standard action to move the hammer to a new target and the BAB will put the item in line for its price and its huge amount of damage. In the hand of my fighter/cleric, the BAB is sick and he alomost always hits.

Aluvial

Thrommel
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(1/5/03 9:26:47 am)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
{Is retrieving an item off of your person a MEA?}

Yes, and it provokes and AoO.

It gets ugly when your player has a Heward's Handy Haversack, which makes retrieving an item a free action.

-Thrommel, who suggests that the command to activate a Hammersphere simply be counting to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three.

Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three.

Five is right out.

The guy from Belgium
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(1/5/03 10:07:18 am)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
oh yeah, i loved that scene

... Oh no, it's the killer rabbit :eek

Siobharek 
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(1/5/03 10:18:08 am)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
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Is retrieving an item off of your person a MEA?
Nope. But picking up something from the ground is. That's what makes disarm so much fun :evil

Siobharek
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Thrommel
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(1/5/03 10:26:37 am)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
Errr... according to my PHB (p 128 ) retrieving a stored item is an MEA which provokes an attack of opportunity.

-Thrommel, who's never been disarmed, but he has been disheartened. Fortunately, it turns out I wasn't really using it.

Edited by: Thrommel at: 1/5/03 10:26:57 am
Siobharek 
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(1/5/03 10:36:31 am)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
I misread the question - and forgot the other thing. Please take turns ignoring my post while I try to learn something about this... dungeon and dragon, is it?

Siobharek
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Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Thrommel
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(1/5/03 11:11:12 am)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
Let's all just keep in mind that beer is a lot stronger in Denmark than that lightweight swill we drink stateside.

;)

-Thrommel, who prefers a nice 40-weight swill himself.

Siobharek 
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(1/5/03 12:57:54 pm)
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Re: Hammersphere Problems
Har-de-har. Tonight, it's Maker's Mark, actually. My mom got me one for Christmas.

But yeah, I believe that some of the staff at an Australian University once compared US beer with making love in a canoe. It was at an occasion in Hollywood, I believe.

Siobharek
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Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
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