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Ssendam
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(1/7/03 11:13:31 am)
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Exp Award for Destroying Orbs, etc.?
The group I am running have finally finnished this adventure. They destroyed both the orb of oblivion and the orb of silvery death. Then they destroyed the dreaming stone and the black spike.

I feel some sort of exp award is in order, but am not sure how big to make it. Any suggestions?

The guy from Belgium
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(1/7/03 11:25:29 am)
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ok, care to share HOW they did all that?
the orbs are possible to destroy, but the dreaming stone as well?

multiple wishes and disintegrates and stuff?

what level were they anyway?

i'm curious now :D

Ssendam
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(1/7/03 11:54:57 am)
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ok, care to share HOW they did all that?


Yeah, sure. Ok, what they did was they used several commune spells and some help from the bard's bardic knowledge to discern how to destroy the orb of silvery death.
Once the the orb of silvery death is destroyed, the orb of oblivion can then be willed to become a sphere of annihilation.

To make a long story short, they used the sphere of annihilation to destroy the dreaming stone and everything else contained within the black spike.

The guy from Belgium
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(1/7/03 12:04:37 pm)
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wooow

the bardic knowledge check for that had to be like... a zillion :rollin

but the communes might have done the trick... as an extra reward, give the pc's back the experience all those communes costed...

used the sphere of annihilation to destroy the dreaming stone... if that was possible, then nice thinking!

I'd wish for a volcanic eruption after i had evacuated rastor or something, incinerating the stone after it was swallowed up by the earth and taken to it's center, continous exposure to magma has to melt it some day :D

anyway, nice going by your party then, although mine (If it ever makes it) will have a harder time destroying the orbs or the stone for that matter... that thing is so ancient and powerful... nah, the sphere was too darn easy :D

Ssendam
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(1/7/03 12:29:16 pm)
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the bardic knowledge check for that had to be like... a zillion


The bard rolled very high. I felt like he deserved a few hints. I did not give him direct knowledge of what to do other than that the orb of silvery death had to be destroyed before the orb of oblivion in order for both to be destroyed. I merely gave him and the rest of the party some hints to go off of. I saw no need to make it a near impossible feat to discern knowledge needed to destroy the orbs. What would be the point in that?

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used the sphere of annihilation to destroy the dreaming stone... if that was possible


Why wouldn't it be possible? I can't see why not. That is what sphere of annihilation does - it destroys just about anything and everything. Where does it say specifically that the black spike or anything contanined within it is not subject to a sphere of annihilation? The black spike has SR, but things like SR do not apply to a sphere of annihilation.

If you ask me, I think Monte intended it to be this way. He set everything up in the module for the characters to destroy the black spike by these means. He even added an item for the characters to deal with the sphere of annihilation after it had done its job (rod of cancellation).

The guy from Belgium
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(1/7/03 12:32:40 pm)
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ok, to every dm his own methods...

never meant to tick you off there, chill

Ssendam
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(1/7/03 12:36:40 pm)
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never meant to tick you off there, chill


Who says that I'm ticked off? I simply asked for an explanation on why it would *not* be possible for the Black Spike to be destroyed by means of a Sphere of Annihilation. That makes no sense to me. Would you care to explain?

Infiniti2000
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(1/7/03 12:39:35 pm)
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First, let me say that I agree with your response to the bardic knowledge check. It was very appropriate. Also, I agree the sphere can work on the black spike, but the SR does apply, even to artifacts. On the other hand, eventually the wizard controlling the sphere would overcome the SR and destroy the spike.

The thing that makes this tricky, however, is that the DC 30 for controlling a sphere is not trivial and very dangerous. Even a 20th-level wizard with a 20 Int has a 25% chance for failure.

Kudos to your group, Ssendam. Most assuredly award them experience points for the effort (especially if they subsequently take the sphere all the way back to the moathouse to remove the obelisk). One idea would be to award them XP equivalent to a CR of the average party level, or just pick a number based on your experience.

Infiniti2000
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(1/7/03 12:41:50 pm)
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If I may offer an explanation, though in this case I don't suscribe to it myself, the sphere of annihilation is a minor artifact. The black spike is likely a major artifact and therefore could be construed as immune to lesser items. Anyway, your astute observation about the reasoning for the sphere and the rod may indeed be Monte's intention.

The guy from Belgium
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(1/7/03 1:00:19 pm)
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Re: Exp Award for Destroying Orbs, etc.?
infiniti response was what I meant...

a sphere of annihilation is fun and great and VERY dangerous...

on top of that, also in infiniti's reply is my second and biggest concern: the dreaming stone should be immune to a sphere, it's survived for millenia i suppose...

if it were vulnerable to such an attack, even Vacharan could have made an attempt against it (if he were able to reach it)

but still, great thinking by your party! and a nice way to end it once and for all!

Ssendam
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(1/7/03 1:16:17 pm)
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The thing that makes this tricky, however, is that the DC 30 for controlling a sphere is not trivial and very dangerous. Even a 20th-level wizard with a 20 Int has a 25% chance for failure.


Yeah, it is very dangerous indeed. The sorceror of the group I run was the one that willed the sphere. At first he had some trouble and nearly ended up destroying himself. After he got it under control again, he decided to stop controlling it. Then, as players, the group discussed how they would do this because obviously it was not going to work, and the sorceror was going to be annihilated if he kept on with it.

They took some time off to think about it and through roleplaying and disussion out of character, they decided to acquire a Talisman of the Sphere. It took some time, but the sorceror went and one made. Talisman of the Sphere is a reasonably inexpensive item, although fairly rare. I just made it so that it took the group extra time to track the person down to make one.

Infiniti, I am still confused as to why the Black Spike would get SR. The sphere has no caster level attached to it. I also think of a sphere as just more of a force of energy rather than actual magic. I dunno. Just how I see it I guess.

Infiniti2000
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(1/7/03 1:47:38 pm)
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"Infiniti, I am still confused as to why the Black Spike would get SR. The sphere has no caster level attached to it. I also think of a sphere as just more of a force of energy rather than actual magic. I dunno. Just how I see it I guess."

Hmm, I suppose when you put it that way. I guess it would be a good question to ask on the Magic forum, "Do spheres of annihilation affect other minor artifacts or major artifacts, including those with SR?"

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