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Siobharek 
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(1/12/03 12:21:12 am)
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Re: re: Don't plan to leave
Good point, Kadh. Several purposes: I want to give my PCs some city time and to let them flex their RP muscles. Furthermore, the set-up will give the rogue an opportunity to develop a stronger anti-authoritan streak than he already has, and it will show the group that their opponents are intelligent and crafty. They already know that, but it's a good point that can't be made too many times. Finally, it'll delay them. And 3 weeks after the murder, fires will become more violent (I'm thinking about using the negative aspects of a dead fire god from Requiem for a God): Imix has arrived.

Siobharek
...it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

madfox
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(1/13/03 1:16:45 am)
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Remember that there is an additional benefit to the fire. You cannot use speak with dead on a heavily damaged corpse. Though what exactly constitutes a heavily damaged corpse is not defined in the spell. It was something I had to consider when the PCs beheaded the corpse of Festrath to later question the head. You might also want to remove the tongue from the corpse as an extra precaution against speaking with dead.

On another note, low level divinations are very easily fooled. In fact, they can shift the blame on innocent bystanders. Remember for example that misdirection shifts your alignment on a bystander. It is this fact alone that would make using magic as the only evidence circumspect. Speak with dead though is quite reliable. Luckily it is very easy to prevent. A spell like zone of truth also require a clever questioner, because a clever prisoner could avoid telling a lie. The spell also only shows when the person questioned knows he is lying.

Anyway, if it takes place in Greyhawk, you might want to consider what happened recently with divination magic in court in the Great Kingdom just before the kingdom's destruction. Ivid together with his devil servitors had corrupted the Chamber of Truth of the high court. Normally nobody could lie in that place, but it was corrupted into that people would say what Ivid wanted them to say. At first people blindly believed these confessions because it was impossible to lie in the room. It was not until much later that people started to realize the room was not functional anymore. Such an event should have a rather big impact on the trustworthiness of divination magic.

Siobharek 
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(1/13/03 1:36:38 am)
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That's a good point, madfox (what's the reference for the Great Kingdom story, BTW? I can't remember reading about it). That might very well exclude the use of Zone of Truth in court. I might imagine, though, that the party's objective is to prevernt the case going to court at all. Especially once fire starts getting dangerous.

Kudos to Thrommel, btw, for the original "fire becomes bad" idea.

Siobharek
...it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Edited by: Siobharek  at: 1/13/03 1:45:11 am
madfox
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(1/13/03 1:43:21 am)
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The story on the Great Kingdom comes from the product Ivid the Undying which can be freely downloaded from the web site of WotC. It is official. It is one of those products that never got published, so they decided to place it on the web as a pdf text. It is actually a quite interesting product and there are countless of oppertunities for adventure. It is just a shame that in 3rd edition they made things settle down in that area.

Siobharek 
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(1/20/03 1:54:21 am)
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First of all, thank you all for lots of good ideas and excellent input to this little plot twist.

Second, I'm afraid that it was most for naught: The party suspected that the "maid" was a demon and the cleric's first action was to cast a dimensional anchor on her. And he succeeded. And she died.

After that, the rest was pretty academical - lots of witnesses could confirm that the rogue (who was to be framed) was at the inn at the time another witness had seen him at the maid's home. I'll do a fuill write-up later today in "Siobharek's Session"; I just wanted to thank all of you here and now for your help.

Siobharek
...it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

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