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xenoflare
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(1/10/03 10:38:14 pm)
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how to give info to my PCs?
Greetings, Elders of the Hivemind!

was just wondering about what organizations would be interesting in helping out the PCs, info-wise. i've got a vague idea of a group of worshippers of Norebo/ Cyndor/ Wee Jas that back the regional chapterhouse of the Watchers for the Coming Sunset, who've sent some aid to the PCs in minor ways - I made the Sage, Todariche Nem, in Hommlet a minor contact of the Watchers, and the most recent PC in my game is actually a Journeyman of the Order. How can I play this up?

(The sage got whacked in his sleep by Toridian and Grune, when Jaroo found out the PC mage and Spugnoir were in Nem's house reading and deciphering the Black Cyst and Yeth Codex documents. As per standard cultist murders IMC, their heads and hearts will be removed to prevent raising, and their organs preserved for future Black Cyst-esque endeavours.)

i suppose having access to sages and librams would really help out the PCs in their quest to unravel the mystery, but i don't want to give out too much info, too fast. Now the PCs have an inkling that something is on, and they've made some Tharizdun-EEE connections by dumb luck, but no real info is to be found as Tharizdun is so obscure. They've heard of Pelor/ Rao's ecceleistical stance on the issue - that the respective gods of light and reason shone on the darkness and drove Tharizdun's age of oblivion away - but they don't have any real meat. They have heard rumours of the Elder Elemental Eye being a representation of Elder Forces of Creation, who seek to unmake the world in this current age due to its flaws, and of Tharizdun being a similar Elder Force of Negation, which seems to create the world in his image.
Some strange rumours and misinfo spread by the doomdreamers.. which have just a bit of truth to them.


Siobharek 
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(1/11/03 2:22:54 am)
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Re: how to give info to my PCs?
Hmmm, this may not be the most specific pieces of advice, but for one thing, I think you need to set up or formalize the information the PCs are able to get, and to establish where they need to go in order to find out what. After all, they won't learn the connection between EEE and Big T. with a local hedge-sage.

Information-wise, the Watchers sounds good. I don't remember, are they from the LG Gazetteer or from one of the Oerth Journals? What if another group opposes the group's research efforts. make up a group such as, say, The Light of Truth, a Pholtus-based order of scholars who believes that too much delving on matters of darkness and entropy will bring about those very things. How will that group and their findings affect the group's work?

Siobharek
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madfox
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(1/11/03 3:57:49 am)
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Re: how to give info to my PCs?
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Hmmm, this may not be the most specific pieces of advice, but for one thing, I think you need to set up or formalize the information the PCs are able to get, and to establish where they need to go in order to find out what. After all, they won't learn the connection between EEE and Big T. with a local hedge-sage.


You also might want to add DCs and what kind of checks will be needed. It seems your PCs are interested in doing the research themselves (unlike mine who prefer to do the fighting and letting others do research). In my experience determining such things in advance is very helpful. DCs and splitting up what information belongs where is very difficult to do properly on the fly.

xenoflare
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(1/11/03 11:51:25 pm)
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Watchers for the Coming Sunset
hi, i took the Watchers out from Song and Silence. it's supposed to be a bardic college that watches out for apocalypses and tries to avert them - i'm thinking of the guys from Millenium, who're working with Frank Black.

IMC, i made the Watcher chapterhouse in Verbobonc as a sort of "monitoring outpost" of the Horde of Elemental Evil. I was inspired by the Bentham's Books from the BoB, and turned it into a full-fledged restaurant/ inn/ library for seekers of arcane lore and obscure knowledge. I changed the name to Roland's Ritual Resources and Refreshments, and the owners of the joint are Roland, a mid-level bard worshipper of Norebo, God of Gamblers, and his wife, Malise, a priest of Wee Jas. they've been around in the area since the Battle Of Emridy Meadows, and have set up links of communication with Furyondy and Veluna, as well as Hommlet, in the guise of Todarich Nem, the local sage.

Of course, the song and silence blurb bout the Watchers also mention an off-shoot who seek to actively pursue apocalypses to re-form the world. i was thinking of that as being a doomdreamer infiltrated cell.. and that would nicely tie in to the ideas of Pholtus's Order of Transcendent Purity or something? the ones who seek to quell studies into entropy and darkness to prevent the rise of such entropy and darkness. This would set up a dynamic world of info-seekers.

xenoflare
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(1/12/03 12:03:26 am)
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DCs for Info and Guardians of Big T's lore
Hmm, does anybody feel that the info DCs in the book aren't done too well? i mean, it's quite easy to figure out the holy symbols of Tharizdun, right?

What i'm thinking is that there should be tons of information about Tharizdun and the EEE, but a lot of it is actually flawed information. Misinformation.

I'm thinking of adopting the standard DCs given inside the book by Monte; but also wanting to introduce a slightly darker edge, i'll want to throw in a lot more documents and stuff like that into the game, and subsequently, monsters and assasins who will want to quash the info.

I was thinking of using the moonbeast from MM2 in the future.. anybody have any comments?

Siobharek 
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(1/12/03 12:23:17 am)
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Re: DCs for Info and Guardians of Big T's lore
I don't have much more to add at this point (and oh right, those Watchers. Forgotten all about them), except I agree that some of the DCs are a little easy. I think it would be interesting to hear what you'll find out.

Siobharek
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Kelashein
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(1/12/03 1:46:10 am)
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Re: DCs for Info and Guardians of Big T's lore
Probing in the right places might bring Thrommel's name to their attention.

IMC, the cultists write to one another regularly (especially in the CRM). Naquent (hinted at in the module) is the Outer Fane overseer of Dunrat's operation (she outranks him and is too valuable to send on errands). She has been fairly prolific IMC and when Maridosen (leveled) was put in charge of protecting the Main Gate and failed but escaped, she was sent a letter from Naquent where the Mistress pretty much washed her hands of her and told her that her fate has been left to Varachan, who is far less forgiving than she (if only she knew...)

Also: Chatrilon, Victor & Bethe have been (until recently) in Verbobonc knocking off enemies of the cult. Occasionally a warrior from one of the bridges or whatever leaves the cult after working for several months and starts blabbing in a bar and before you know it Bethe is in town shutting him up. If they're pursuing leads in Verbobonc they might run afoul of her (especially if they make the connection of murder sprees and their own difficulties with assassins, the gruesome method you've already established should raise their eyebrows when it happens as far away as Verbobonc).

Siobharek 
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(1/12/03 1:57:05 am)
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Re: DCs for Info and Guardians of Big T's lore
All that sounds good. Except Thrommel. Bring his name up in any other context - I dunno, Thrommel Memorial Day - but his appearance in the Outer Fane as a vampire (!) should be one of the biggest surprises for the players.

Siobharek
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xenoflare
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(1/14/03 6:49:52 am)
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mmm.. thrommel memorial day(s)?
well, i've been doing some thinking bout Thrommel, and from what i can read here, bout foreshadowing him and all, i've decided to take the method of using one of my PCs's dad who died in the Battle of Emridy Meadows.

the PC is a bard who picks up all kinds of obscure lore here and there, he was adopted by his uncle, a bardic sage of sorts. His dad was a Knight of the Hart from Furyondy, who was part of Thrommel's forces at Emridy Meadows.. and the PC knows just enough about Thrommel to get some kind of idea about his importance, and thus enough to get a big shock.

I also really like the idea of the peasants invoking the blessing of Thrommel to shield them from outside bandits etc. Does anyone read the comic about the rabbit swordsman, Usagi Yojimbo here?

There's a short story inside where bandits kill this woman's little son and robs her, and runs off. The woman grieves for her lost child and assembles a small statue of stones as a grave marker, and to pray to the God of the Roads to grant her child safety in the next world. that's all she could afford..

People start putting offerings by the little statue, and one day, the bandits come by the road again, fighting Usagi, the swordsbunny. The bandits all die in battle, and he walks off, their loot and weapons untouched.

The woman walks by the next morning to do her daily prayers and finds her money and the corpses of the murderers, left on the floor, and she weeps, thinking that her son has found peace.. and the story spreads, and the small statue in time becomes a shrine.

I'm thinking..

of doing something similar.

Jolene's really upset, about Thrommel going missing.. and he's enough of a folk legend that the peasantry and commoners will invoke his name for protection, and that the bard will sing songs of his bravery and righteousness.

To keep Thrommel's legend alive, maybe a group of his loyalist warriors from Emridy Meadows scatter out through the roads, protecting them from bandits and monsters, letting honest folk pass by their days in peace. They build small statues of Thrommel, small shrines perhaps, where people drop coins and pray for blessings on their long journeys.

I'll have my PCs come across this. In the future, if they wish to redeem Thrommel..

They can just go to the road, and let the songs of his past days weep back in a thundering cacophony to him, as they present him with these artefacts of his past.

Kelashein
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(1/14/03 11:26:35 pm)
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Re: mmm.. thrommel memorial day(s)?
I wasn't suggesting that they should find out that Thrommel was a Vampire. More along the lines of finding out that he was a folk hero.

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