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AshaThoth
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(1/24/03 10:45:42 am)
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Becoming the Champion?
Is there any source material that describes the ritual/process through which Lareth becomes the Champion of Elemental Evil? My assumption is that he has to travel into the Black Cyst, take the Champion's weapons and the Orb, and then earn the favor of Tharizdun. Am I missing something?
I ask because I'm toying with prodding one of the PCs in my campaign to attempt becoming the Champion himself.
On another note, I'm looking for a reason/justification as to why the PCs might be cut off from the prying eyes of their deities -- not to mention the Solar Archon who's playing Lee Marvin to their Dirty Dozen.
Thanks in advance.
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chartam
Here to stay
(1/24/03 11:43:34 am)
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Re: Becoming the Champion?
The way the adventure is written, the Champion is something that Lareth was born to be. It's not a position that's open to applicants.
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AshaThoth
Here for a while
(1/24/03 1:44:07 pm)
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Ehhh...
^^ I would argue that there is a strong implication that this is not absolutely true. There is definite mention of a rite that Lareth must perform before he becomes the CoEE. I would argue that there have been pretenders to the position before (read Hedrack's journal), which suggests that while the requirements are stringent, Lareth is not the only one who could possibly meet them.
Smells like "story" to me.
Which brings me back to the original question -- is there any source material which more specifically describes the rite and the qualities of Lareth that so uniquely qualify him for the job? If not, I'll just make stuff up. It's not like we're bound by contract to execute the campaign exactly as described by Monte. Heck, if I did that Tal Chammish wouldn't be a rogue Department 7 agent from the future who's gone totally Kurtz. Only lucid. And not fat.
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chartam
Here to stay
(1/24/03 3:07:19 pm)
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Re: Ehhh...
Certainly you can do things the way you like in your campaign. I was merely pointing out what was written. Yes, there were pretenders and there were candidates that the Doomdreamers thought were suitable, but the implication, based mainly on the sections on Hedrack, is that there is only one "real" Champion, which is Lareth. Hence the interest in him, the willingness to recover/rescue him, and the willingness to resurrect him if necessary.
Edit: Sorry...forgot to answer your original question: AFAIK, there's no detailed description of the ritual.
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Edited by: chartam at: 1/24/03 3:07:54 pm
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SIERK
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(1/24/03 4:19:15 pm)
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Re: Ehhh...
Area 23 of the Outer Fane.
Aspirants have to recite a phrase in the Black Circle to determine whether or not they are the one.
Lareth isn't determined to be the one until relatively late in the game, I believe.
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chartam
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(1/24/03 10:53:34 pm)
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Re: Ehhh...
Thanks, SIERK. I'm not that far along in the adventure yet, so I'd forgotten about it. Anyway, area 2 of Nulb clearly states that "Lareth is the prophesied Champion of Elemental Evil."
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SIERK
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(1/25/03 4:44:57 am)
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Re: Ehhh...
True, but...
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What no one really knows or understands at this point (although they will by Part 3) is that Lareth is the prophesied Champion of Elemental Evil.
That's from Nulb, area 2. There are also parts of the Outer Fane that state that the champion hasn't been found yet. Tessimon believes she is the Champion.
I figure the timeline for finding the Champion is right before the party gets to the Outer Fane. While that disagrees with the statement above slightly, I think it makes more sense. Hedrack is doing the searching and testing, and if he's dead and the OF is not under the Doomdreamers' control, I don't know where they'd do the testing. I guess the Recovered Temple could do it themselves.
Might be fun to have the OF be abuzz with the news that the Champion has been found. Adds just a bit of a spur to keep the party going quickly.
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msherman
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(1/25/03 7:06:44 am)
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Re: Ehhh...
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I figure the timeline for finding the Champion is right before the party gets to the Outer Fane. While that disagrees with the statement above slightly, I think it makes more sense. Hedrack is doing the searching and testing, and if he's dead and the OF is not under the Doomdreamers' control, I don't know where they'd do the testing. I guess the Recovered Temple could do it themselves.
Which implies that by the time the party gets to the black cyst, none of the gear is there any more. I'd wing it, actually; if the party gets to the cyst early in their OF trip, the champion hasn't been found yet, but once it looks like the OF is going to fall completely soon, the champion is found, "just in the nick of time".
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