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SIERK
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(1/24/03 5:01:36 pm)
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Does Varachan know the location of Rod of Force?
By the text, Varachan knows where to find anything in the Outer Fane, as well as how to get the orb of Silvery Death in 21A, where the rod of force and rings of force armor are located. So seemingly he would know where they are hidden.

But I'm a little leery of giving the party 170,000 gp worth of magic equipment around levels 10/11. If they manage to find the cache, that's one thing. But it seems too easy if Varachan can just tell them where it is. It seems as though Hedrack might just have a few secrets he keeps from his second in charge.

Thoughts?

msherman
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(1/25/03 7:14:02 am)
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Re: Does Varachan know the location of Rod of Force?
Heh. As I was writing my reply to your note in the thread on becoming the champion (pub58.ezboard.com/fokayyo...2452.topic ), I thought that I should add a note about it to this thread, only to discover that I was replying to the same person. :)

Anyway, if you're worried about Varachan giving away the goods there, you can always have the Champion be discovered "just in the nick of time". Varachan tells the party all about the Champion, and how he hasn't been discovered yet but Hedrack is working hard to find him, and how the Champion's 1337 WAR3Z are stored in the Cyst, and here's how to get in and get them, here, you'll be needing this thurible, but once the party gets there, all they find is Hedrack's journal with a recent entry declaring the glorious day is at hand. Cue spooky music.

Infiniti2000
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(1/25/03 7:27:24 am)
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Re: Does Varachan know the location of Rod of Force?
Varachan would not retrieve the items from the Black Cyst himself, but he would tell the party how to retrieve them. First of all, he would need to use his potion of Bull's Strength to blow the Horn of the Eye (it requires Str 14, Varachan has Str 13). Also, you need to have Master Key to activate the Horn, which Varachan does not have. Varachan also does not have a torch of revealing to see the switches. Most importantly, he does not have a thurible with which to return. Finally, it would alert everyone in areas 18-29; and although they do not come to fight, if anyone saw Varachan leaving room 21, suspicion would abound. He cannot risk that.

If the PC's are smart enough or brave enough to trust Varachan and gain this useful information on how to enter the Black Cyst and recover the items there, I'd let them.

SIERK
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(1/25/03 10:23:10 am)
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Re: Does Varachan know the location of Rod of Force?
Heh.

Yeah, when I was posting in the other thread, I was thinking to myself "well, if that's true, then the stuff isn't there anyway."

I'll probably wing it a little, but probably take your advice. Personally, I don't want to throw EL16+ encounters at the party by having Hedrack get directly involved in massed brawls which include Chymon or Naquent or anything else too tough.

This gives me a good excuse as to why Hedrack is a bit distracted with defending the OF: he's just found Lareth and is going through some of the hoopla associated with that. In fact, maybe he's in the Inner Fane right now introducing Lareth to the 1st and 3rd and letting him revel in the ambiance of the Dreamstone.

Infiniti, good points as to why he wouldn't have them in his possession. I actually meant "the DM" giving them the items by making it too easy, as opposed to Varachan literally giving them the items.

Edited by: SIERK at: 1/25/03 10:27:03 am
Abelard
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(1/25/03 3:59:12 pm)
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Re: Does Varachan know the location of Rod of Force?
Maybe Varachan knows generally speaking where the items are, but not all the details of torch, thurible, etc. to get to them. Even without suspecting his change of heart, Hedrack might well keep some of those things secret, to help make it harder for his subordinate to promote himself through assassination.

If the party really wants them, they'll have to do some spying, divinations, etc. to figure out exactly how to get at them. So they'll have to work for it - Varachan telling them won't just "give it".

Zorlag
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(1/26/03 6:41:47 pm)
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Let Varachan give players a hint about the artifacts. Just don't say they are hidden *spoiler edit*. If they don't find the rod and rings, they'll just have to fight with the champion for them... :)

Z.

Eltern
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(1/27/03 1:26:59 pm)
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Since we're talking...
Since we're talking about Varachan here's a question: When does Varachan take note of the party in the CRM? Is it after they taken out 2 temples, like with Hedrack? Or maybe just one? Or maybe as soon as they arrive?

Eltern

SIERK
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(1/27/03 6:37:58 pm)
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Re: Since we're talking...
I'd vote for after the party trashes their first temple. As he's trying to find a way to strike a blow against the Doomdreamers, he's probably monitoring the fighting in the CRM a little more closely than Hedrack.

Siobharek 
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(1/28/03 12:02:52 am)
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Re: Since we're talking...
And another question that I've been wrestling with: How on earth is Varachan able to contact the PCs?

Siobharek
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Signifying nothing.

Grumgarr
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(1/29/03 4:23:32 am)
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Re: Since we're talking...
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How on earth is Varachan able to contact the PCs?

Good question Siobharek!

Varachan is still a Cleric although he currently (until he petitions another church and receives an Atonement spell, after proving to the church that he's worthy) has no patron deity so can't cast spells (although presumably he could still cast spells from scrolls, but this would be a limited supply).

I suggest either:

A. Varachan has a couple of scrolls of Sending, which he's hoarded and will use very sparingly - limiting contact with the PCs to however many scrolls the DM feels he can justify without stretching suspension of disbelief too far

B. Varachan's Crystal Ball (where is this listed exactly?) be upgraded to one with Message included (I don't know if this is listed in the DMG, but it seems like a no-brainer to me) allowing V to talk to the PCs - and even to get cut off in mid-sentence when Hedrack walks in on V to see how the spying's going :evil

Grumgarr - who likes to increase PC paranoia whenever possible

Edited by: Grumgarr at: 1/29/03 4:25:27 am
Siobharek 
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(1/29/03 4:34:00 am)
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Re: Since we're talking...
Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. It just strikes me as being less than satisfactory.

Heh, a long time ago someone floated the idea around that Varachan should take up a few levels as Dragon Disciple. That way, one could bring in a dragon ancestor (silver, I think) whose presence might make itself felt. I think the idea went something like this:

Varachan is your run-of-the-mill evil priest. At some point he begins dreaming of flying through wide open spaces and in his dreams, a new appreciation of earth's beauty suffuses him. He finds that he cannot concentrate on his priestly duties, and he begins to question the Dogma of Dissolution that his the lore of Tharizdun.

When the PCs meet Varachan, he ahas a few levels as dragon disciple, and is beginning to lean towards the moral outlook of his silver ancestor. Maybe, in the process, he picks up some rudimentary telepathic skills that resonate with the clairvoyance/-audience aspect of his crystal ball and enables him to make contact through it.

Hmm... I like that. I'll probably use it mesself.

Siobharek
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Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Andorax
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(1/29/03 8:09:59 am)
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Re: Since we're talking...
Actually, I fudged Varachan's Summon Monster scroll up a couple notches, and had him summon a Quasit and send it to the PCs to deliver a pre-written and sealed note (which concluded with "destroy this creature, it cannot be allowed to escape and inform the others that I send you this note") along with a bag with a half-dozen CLW potions and four nondetections.

At the time, I was trying to encourage them to "keep with it" and not camp every time they got scratched and Lyssa burned herself out of spells to get them healthy again. It even worked somewhat.

"Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"

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