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Boden Blagden
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(3/3/03 8:34 am)
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Back to Nulb. Before finishing the CRM.
The group found the book in Tippish's room that talks about Lareth the Beautiful. Now they are wanting to go to Nulb and that area to try and find him. They didn't even stop in Nulb their first time through because they were looking for something that didn't pertain to the module. They haven't been to the Ruined Temple either. Should I make the excavation already started or should I wait off on that and just let them find Lareth. My plan before was that the excavation had already started, but if they go that way now they will all die.

Siobharek 
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(3/3/03 12:17 pm)
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Let them find Lareth. As you say, if they go to the excavations, they're dead. So have a ball roleplaying him ("What? Me? Champion?! Go away. Once I was the Dark Champion, but now? Look at me!") and let them kill him, if they wish. That'll give him a grudge once they meet him again.

Siobharek
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ZansForCans 
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(3/3/03 12:33 pm)
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Yeah, I don't think I'd have them start it yet, at least not to the point of what's in the module. You don't say how far along they are in the CRM (i.e. level?), but if they haven't thought about touching the Outer Fane yet, I think it's asking too much. I was planning on timing the excavation with that point (them entering the OF).

However, if you want to pique their interest a little, maybe there could be a little more activity there than there otherwise would be. You say they haven't been there at all yet? So the hobs are there, but at this point they might just blow right through them.

Maybe the ToAC has sent out a bit more scouting forces in anticipation for the excavation. It's been a while since I've scanned that part of the module, but maybe pick a NPC from the Recovered Temple that's about right for your party and give them an appropriate EL scouting/engineering force, if your group happens to stumble that way. Give the NPC a good chance to get away, especially if there's RP in the encounter so you have someone fun waiting in the Temple later.

Maybe you want to go further and have the hob tribe wiped out or enslaved, but no one knows what happened to them (i.e. suddenly the Temple is empty). Maybe the party stumbles across a CRM cleric 'negotiating' with the hobs with an interesting 'request' from Hedrack with 'mandatory employment' terms (heh).

I guess you do want to be careful not to string them along too much if you want them to get back to the CRM. If you use that scouting force, maybe there can be some obvious pointer back there.

It sounds like they're interested in Nulb right now. Any reason to expect they'll go to the Temple too right now? Maybe it won't be a big deal for you.


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Boden Blagden
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(3/3/03 3:23 pm)
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I am not sure if they will go to the Temple or not, but they don't know where exactly Lareth is, just that he is somewhere around the area of Hommlet and Nulb. I am thinking that The excavation won't start until after the Fire Temple is taken. They are just a little ways away from there seeing that they just took out the Fire Bridge Complex. That was a nasty battle that saw the clerics cohort go down in the first round.

The party right now consists of:
Human Cleric 8
Elf Rogue 7
Elf Barbarian 3/Sorceror 5
Human Sorceror 7
Human Fighter 7
Human Wizard 8

The wizard won't be joining the group on the journey to Nulb. (The player will be out of town so he will be staying in the city doing some research.)

The Human Fighter and Human Sorceror will be new additions to the group starting the next session. (We had a couple of guys that had to quit the game because of work.)



Boden Blagden
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(3/5/03 8:27 pm)
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I just thougth of something. My group never found Festrath in the Moathouse when they ran through it. They saw the well and dropped a stone down it and then just walked away. After they left they never went back there. They Went to the city and then after a small side quest they went to the CRM. Festrath has been down there with the Grell and I believe the trogladyte cleric is still alive. Not that they would be important to the plot, but they might be making trouble around Hommlet or something by now. Also the PCs never ran into the fake Jaroo which could make things interesting in some way.

Siobharek 
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(3/5/03 11:47 pm)
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Hmmm... That would be very interesting, indeed. You've got a cell of cultists consisting of the Trog cleric, Festrath, and "Jaroo", right?

By default, Festrath is irrevocably insane. You might want to smack the ghoul/ghast template on him, advance him a couple of levels and place him in Nulb, drawn by some subliminal evil emanating from Lareth. If you need to clue your PCs in on him, let them arrive in the middle of a string of mysterious disappearances in Hommlet. These disappearances are the work of Festrath and if you plot the last traces of the missing villagers on a map, it'll form a rough circle around Nulb.

Why would the trog cleric hang around? He's there for the artifacts in the first place, so if he sticks around, it's because he has a secret mission. Suggestion: Staying put and act as a local liaison for whomever will come later on. Maybe he has spent his time looking for Lareth - and found him.

"Jaroo" is almost a sleeper. But of course, the minute the PCs show up, he'll be ready for action. I'd definitely advance him some.

SOme immediate thoughts, hope they're useful.

Siobharek
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Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
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Boden Blagden
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(3/6/03 5:53 pm)
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Where is the ghoul/ghast template at. I have both MMs and I didn't see it in there.

Taelohn
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(3/6/03 5:58 pm)
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Ghouls and Ghasts are in the first Monster Manual. Look alphabetically - they're monster entries, not templates.

Cordo Crowfoot
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(3/6/03 7:23 pm)
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Quote:
"What? Me? Champion?! Go away. Once I was the Dark Champion, but now? Look at me!"
Just thought I should point out that if you use the book from Lenny's darktheatre site it "spills the beans" that Lareth may be the Champion, but the description of the book in room 40 doesn't spell that out at all, it just says that "Lareth may be a dangerous loose end."

It might be too late of course, but...

"They were immediately and absolutely recognizable as adventurers. They were hardy and dangerous, lawless, stripped of allegiance or morality, living off their wits, stealing and killing, hiring themselves out to whoever and whatever came... They were scum who died violent deaths, hanging on to a certain cachet among the impressionable through their undeniable bravery and their occasionally impressive exploits" China Mieville, Perdido Street Station

Cordo Crowfoot
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(3/6/03 7:55 pm)
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It's not in the MM but you don't have to go too far! There is a ghoul/ghast template created by Monte on this very site:

www.montecook.com/arch_stuff13.html

Boden Blagden
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(3/6/03 8:07 pm)
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OK, I got the Ghast template on Festrath and he looks pretty mean now.
I haven't looked at this part in a while and I am slowly realizing what characters were not used when the party first went through Hommlet. They didn't sepnd much time in Hommlet wehn they were there. The Rogue/Assassin in Hommlet is still alive and hanging out. I was wondering if I should advance him any or if I should send him to the mines and in some way use him to ambush the PCs later.

Siobharek 
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(3/6/03 11:58 pm)
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Oh I'd advance him, alright. Note that he's 2 levels above avg party level at the beginning of the adventure. Keep him that way. You just might want to leave some clues on him that he's a mercenary (depending on your campaign, of course).

Personally, I'd say that Maridosen has been fired (she never was cut out for bartending duties).

Do you intend to keep Ysslansh at low levels or will you advance him, too?

Will you make Festrath as insane as ever? If so, maybe he'll have a ghast grell companion. That would make a decent guardian of the Moathouse.

Siobharek
...it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Boden Blagden
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(3/7/03 4:51 am)
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Well, I remember Maridosen tried to kill one of the players in their sleep but was caught. She was taken to the local temple and is being reformed. I am playing in a homebrew world so the deities aren't the same.

I really don't know what to do with Ysslansh. I am guessing I will advance him a few levels and leave him at the Moathouse. I really don't think the party will go anywhere near there though.

I was going to put Festrath roaming around Nulb.

The Grell as the guardian of the Moathouse sounds like a good idea to me.

I think I will have the Assassin in the town of Hommlet and looking like a mercenary. He will probably follow the PCs. I think I will keep him spying on them even unitl they get back to the CRM.

Infiniti2000
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(3/7/03 6:13 am)
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If they never took the 3'x3' statue, why don't you have Ysslansh bring it to the CRM and then join the Earth Temple? Upon delivering the artifact to Hedrack or Naquent, they get a boon, Ysslansh gets a level, and the Earth Temple gains a little power.

Boden Blagden
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(3/7/03 1:46 pm)
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Unfortunately the earth temple has already been destroyed. I can't remember if they took that statue or not. They might not have seeing that it was so big.

A question. For the Rogue/Assassin, I put him at 10th level since I have a party of six and half are 7th and the other half is eighth, What would you put as his additional equipment. I thought about boosting his rapier to either a +2 or +1 of wounding. What other equipment do you think I should pick up for him?

Edited by: Boden Blagden at: 3/7/03 7:32:03 pm
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