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Ordos1
A song from the sixties
(5/20/03 6:18 pm)
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The Eye and Altar - What happens when no rod is present?
hi,

p.29 -- #34A -- "Altar (EL5)" states that a glowing eye comes out of the altar (provided certain tasks are performed) and anyone looking at the eye makes a save etc etc etc. It then goes on to say what happens when a tentacle rod is present.

The question I have is, what happens to the eye if NO rod is present? Does it pop like a balloon? Hang around? The module doesn't seem to say...

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Trithereon
A robot with powers
(5/21/03 11:15 am)
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Re: The Eye and Altar - What happens when no rod is present?
The way I understand it the altar has three states:

1) Translucent amethyst with black amorphous center. Trigger: touched by living flesh, or struck with force

2) Translucent amethyst with glowing golden eye in the black center. Trigger: beating drums, ringing chimes and lighting brazier.

3) Transparent heliotrope with larger black center, swollen veins of purple, fiery red-orange eye and tentacle. Trigger: beating drums, ringing chimes, lighting chimes and possessing a tentacle rod.

I imagine the purpose of the altar is to place a living sacrafice on the altar thereby triggering the first stage. The drums, chimes and brazier are then used to trigger stage two. If the rod is present then the altar's tentacle takes the sacrafice. Otherwise, the altar takes the nearest person to the altar and thus it is extremely unwise to trigger stage two with a rod but without a sacrafice.

Finally, I assume that stage two lasts as long as you beat the drums, ring the chimes and keep the brazier lit. The real guess is how long the altar remains at stage one. I'd guess it stays at stage one as long as living flesh remains in contact with or force is applied to the altar. I'd rule that the altar returns to its dormant state 3 rounds after living flesh is removed, or after the last time it was struck with force.

Does that make sense?

Infiniti2000
A guitar
(5/22/03 5:26 am)
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ezSupporter
Re: The Eye and Altar - What happens when no rod is present?
Trithereon, I agree. I think 3 rounds of agitation is a good number. Ordos1, you're mistaken in that the eye does not "come out" of the altar. It merely "swims into view". It is not exactly like the altar in the Fire Temple, where the eye actually comes out and forms an egg.

Ordos1
A song from the sixties
(5/22/03 8:55 am)
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Re: The Eye and Altar - What happens when no rod is present?
My mistake Infiniti2000. I assumed that all the altars were the same. Apparently not.

One last thing, does say anywhere how long the tentacle is that comes out of the altar. I don't have the module in front of me (i'm at work during lunch ;) ) but i don't remember ever seeing a specific value. All I remember is its +15 on attack +10 on strength and its Large (ie: +4).... That means a whopping +29 for a grapple check.... Does that make sense??? Wow... i never calculated it before!.. That A LOT!

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Caedrel
A song from the sixties
(5/22/03 3:51 pm)
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Re: The Eye and Altar - What happens when no rod is present?
I don't have the module with me either, but a (slightly) off topic observation - in the confrontation with Susain Carun in the Recovered Temple, where this ceremony is under way, isn't one of the most effective strategies to kill the commoner on the altar? That way, when the tentacle attacks "the nearest living thing", it'll either be the ogre or (if the timing's good), Susain herself... gaining a neat amulet of natural of protection +5 in the process...

I know it sounds heartless, but even if the party hasn't read the Book of the Dark Eye, they should have an idea that a clean death is better than whatever's going to happen when the ceremony is finished. It should be an even more straightforward decision if Death is not the end (a topic in the DMs Only thread)...

Infiniti2000
A guitar
(5/22/03 8:54 pm)
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ezSupporter
Re: The Eye and Altar - What happens when no rod is present?
Hmm...good question, Ordos1. I'm not sure Monte's intent was that it gets +24 to hit (+15 BAB +10 STR -1 Large). I think he meant +15 total attack (+6 BAB +10 STR -1 Large). This puts his grapple check at +20. As for its length, I'd say it's as long as it needs to be. They are very powerful artifacts, so that would not be unreasonable. If you really want to limit them, though, maybe 15ft?

Caedrel, that's a good point and a good tactic for evil parties. Although the module doesn't say so, I think it'd be a good rule that the altar does not actually take the person with the tentacle rod. In this case, it could still take the ogre (if it's alive). I know the altar in the fire temple (or is it the platform) reacts to the highest level cleric of the EEE/Big T so maybe this thing can have some similar type of recognition. However, having it take a doomdreamer would be pretty cool.

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