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Kenmis
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(5/22/03 12:50 pm)
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Verbonoc, slightly OT help needed.
Hello Hive-Mind! :)


Attn: D&D NERDS.

I have a player who's a 12th level charactor. he's currently:

Paladin 5/Ranger 1/Sor 1/Fighter 2/Hunter of the Dead 4

He wants to add a level of Monk. Now, according to the rules there's no problem /w this. But i don't think someone should just say "poof" i'm a monk!" It requires training and dedication. This session we're going to work on those things. Got an ideas as to what kinds of "rites of passage" or tests a prospective monk would go through before he would be accepted into a monastary?

Our party has 3 months while the cleric makes items before they go assault the Outer Fane.

Any/all suggestions are welcome. :rolleyes

TheOutlands
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(5/23/03 7:57 pm)
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Re: Verbonoc, slightly OT help needed.
Let me guess, he's human *and* took Undead as his favored enemy for Ranger? And I bet he took Disrupt Undead and Chill Touch as two of his known Sor spells. I'm also betting his three feats from Ftr2 were Mounted Combat, Spirited Charge, and Ride-By Attack. So far, he's hell on undead...

Other than that, I'd have to say "YACK!!! No way do you get to be a Monk!" But, after stopping and thinking about it, he's screwed himself. He ends up kinda good at a lot of stuff, but not great at any one thing.

Pal5 - spells, turn undead, detect eeeeeevil and a warhorse
Rgr - TWF, ambi, and Favored Enemy
Sor - spells and the ability to use arcane magic items
Ftr - 3 feats
HoU - I need to reread up on that one, but fits w/ Turn Undead and Favored Enemy, iirc

Adding Mnk turns him into an unarmed combat expert. I don't see it fitting into the existing character... Why Mnk?

--Michael<br>
http://outlands.tripod.com<br>
homesteading, survival, self-reliance, and a whole lot more

Infiniti2000
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(5/23/03 8:13 pm)
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ezSupporter
Re: Verbonoc, slightly OT help needed.
Well, unless he picks up that feat (is it supernatural critical?), the favored enemy (undead) wouldn't help much because he would not get the extra damage against undead. As a fighter 2, you get only 2 bonus feats, so that seems useless. Also, I thought I read somewhere about a limit (or recommended limit) to three classes (not including PrC's) when multiclassing, but I can't find it anywhere.

In any case, I agree about the "yack". Capable of a lot of different actions, probably really good saves, but not so great on any one thing. Anyway, you weren't asking for comments about the character (or the player). So, as the simplest answer to your question, have the monastery "review" the candidate and find him wanting. He has no focus, clearly plans on not sticking with the monastery, and therefore should be denied admittance.

TheOutlands
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(5/24/03 6:36 am)
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Re: Verbonoc, slightly OT help needed.
"Too old to begin the training, he is. Yes, too old."

Ok, my bad on the 3 feats for Fighter - I was unconsciously adding in another feat for the "beginning Human" status, which he *isn't,* obviously. And, uh, "As a fighter 2, you get only 2 bonus feats, so that seems useless." Extra feats are *useless*?? I have a PC who is giving up advancing as a Paladin in order to advance as a Fighter at 6th level just so he *can get* more fighting feats! Our Sor3/Ftr1 Half-Orc is going to take one more Sor level (to get Aganazaar's Scorcher) and then go with Fighter.

A Human Ftr2/Rgr1 is a kill-crazed munchkin, imo! :) In fact, I should prolly stat that one up, just for fun...

Having Favored Enemy: Undead is more than just extra damage. One of our PCs is a Ranger with Undead and gets bonus to Track them, which can come in handy, along with several other benefits. (Personally, "Favored Enemy" is broken - "Favored Terrain" is more "Ranger-like")

--Michael<br>
http://outlands.tripod.com<br>
homesteading, survival, self-reliance, and a whole lot more

Edited by: TheOutlands at: 5/24/03 6:37:29 am
Infiniti2000
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(5/24/03 8:30 am)
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ezSupporter
Re: Verbonoc, slightly OT help needed.
By useless, I was talking purely in the munchkin sense...i.e. using two levels on fighter for only two bonus feats doesn't seem worth it...I think they be better spent on sorcerer or paladin. IMO.

The number of times you need to track or bluff undead will be extremely rare, so therefore favored enemy (undead) is a very limiting choice. Anyway, this player is gonna have a lot of conversion work in a month or so, and I can't wait to hear how much he complains. The first thing I bet is going to be the complaint about no TWF at first level ranger.

TheOutlands
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(5/24/03 11:56 am)
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Re: Verbonoc, slightly OT help needed.
I'd argue against putting the 2 levels from Ftr into Pal - in fact, I do that on the Paladin thread in "Characters." As for Sor, I dunno. Depends on why he took that class to start with. If all he was after there was the ability to use arcane magic devices and cast Disrupt Undead and Chill Touch, then no. Pal's and Sor's don't get any feats after the levels he stopped at and their class ability improvements are...moderate, IMO, so moving to a related class was a good move (munchkin-wise!), and Ftr was the only one that really netted him anything.

Was I close on his spells and feats? ;)

And I bet he'd do better in the conversion to scrap the char and start over completely...

--Michael<br>
http://outlands.tripod.com<br>
homesteading, survival, self-reliance, and a whole lot more

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