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gninja
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(6/12/03 5:39 pm)
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Thrommel/Stalagos
So, I see a lot of posts about Thrommel attempting to get someone to move his coffin to the crm (or farther)...
I understand about the moving water thing... But, the Stalagos is a -lake-... And therefor doesn't qualify as 'moving water'... Right?
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Council of Magisters
(6/12/03 9:14 pm)
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Re: Thrommel/Stalagos
This is a scenario that I basically invented. It's just one possible reason WHY Thrommel is cowed by the Doomdreamers -- when, with some proper strategic planning, he could easily be running the place himself.
The idea is that there's some sort of grate or reservoir adjacent to the secret room where his coffin lies. On Hedrack's command, the coffin area can be flooded with a stream of running water -- preventing Thrommel from returning to his coffin and resting.
I agree, it's a shaky interpretation of 'moving water' but you're free to make up something else you think is more plausible. Maybe they have Fragarach. Maybe they have an assassin following Jolene around. Maybe he's bound to them through the vampire conversion process.
The important thing is: the reason has to be plausible AND it has to be something the players can act on. Otherwise the whole RP aspect of it goes right out the window.
-Thrommel, who also goes right out the window but only at night, in bat form.
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Blakey
Faen
(6/13/03 12:03 am)
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Re: Thrommel/Stalagos
Hmm, it seems to me that them holding his sword or woman is not a good reason - he's a vampire now so IMHO he doesn't give a stuff about these old trappings of his former life - he laughs them off as weaknesses he used to have. So, I see him as bound by the conversion process.
On this subject, does anyone have any good details on Thrommel? My problems with him as written as these:
When I played the original ToEE a few years ago, me and my party rescued him from the ToEE and he returned to Chendl successfully.
However, the Living Greyhawk history says that he was never seen again after missing *before* the ToEE module (if I'm reading the dates correctly). Then there's the novel of the module in which he is safely back in Chendl in the Epilogue - which does actually fit in with the history of my campaign world - unlike the official history of Living Greyhawk.
So, after all that waffling, does anyone have any good ideas as to how the doomdreamers captured him again, if he was returned to Chendl?
And how do I explain that he has gone missing again (years ago considering the current time line of my campaign - 592CY), without anyone making a song and dance about it?
Shall I have them hear news of Thrommel's disappearance now? (I should have thought about that a few months ago and dropped it into the campaign right at the start, rather than a few days outside of Hommlet - Damn!).
I'm actually thinking of changing him to someone else, as it might fit my campaign better, but that would loose a lot of the impact of having someone so important to the world in that position.
Of course as it is, none of the characters in my campaign has Knowledge Nobility skill so when they meet him they'll probably be completely ignorant of who he is anyway.
So, can anyone point me at some information on their take on who "Thrommel" is and how he got there?
Cheers,
Blakey
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Gansk
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(6/13/03 12:31 am)
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Re: Thrommel/Stalagos
Have Redithidoor Halfmoon sing the Ballad of Emridy Meadows (on the BoB) at the Welcome Wench to introduce him. Explain that the song is currently popular because the Furyondy royal family just confirmed his death after years of disappearance and burned his body in effigy.
As far as how he disappeared again, just have the doomdreamers hire the Scarlet Brotherhood to kidnap him a second time.
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Blakey
Faen
(6/13/03 12:52 am)
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Re: Thrommel/Stalagos
Wow - I must make an effort to read through the BoB more often - that's great.
Okay, so in other words Thrommel did return to Chendl after the ToEE module and the Living Greyhawk history is wrong. That's fine - it's my world after all. That also fits in with the epilogue of the book I'm letting my players read as background.
So, how does this sound as a starting thought?
When the PCs arrive at Hommlet the bard is singing this song because word has reached Hommlet that Prince Thrommel has left the capital of Furyondy on another crusade but has disappeared. No one knows what happened to him. I'll say he set out 3 months ago.
What actually happened was that the SB kidnapped him from home and set up a decoy of him going off on a personal crusade. He was "converted" to being a vampire by the doomdreamers.
In that case I can use Thrommel in the Outer Fane, and have the PCs realise who he is - which is great. I'd quite like the idea that they don't realise he's evil and think that this is where he came on his Crusade. He might even visit them when they're deep into the CRM with a view to giving them false info and the like.
I deffo need to think more on this...
Cheers,
Blakey
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smetzger
Faen
(6/13/03 5:07 am)
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Re: Thrommel/Stalagos
Other great heroes died anti-climactic deaths after a great victory. Isulder...
I see no reason why Thrommel couldn't have mysteriously disapeared on his way home after his great victory.
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Blakey
Faen
(6/13/03 5:22 am)
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Re: Thrommel/Stalagos
Apart from the fact that IMC he definitely returned home as people (PCs) had interaction with him in Chendl afterwards. Also in the epilogue of the book he is shown to be home.
As another thought, would it be possible that an imposter (SB sponsored?) is masquerading as Thrommel in Furyondy all this time? That would make for an interesting RttToEE follow up or side trek - going to unveil the imposter - possibly with a redeemed Thrommel in tow.
So many possibilities...
Cheers,
Blakey
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Faen
(6/13/03 7:43 am)
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Thrommel / Horus
IMC I used the cannon history of Verbobonc and replaced Thrommel with the missing heir to the throne of Verbobonc, Horus. It works the same with the noble Lady Kathyrn being his love and she is hiring mercenaries to find him.
My players had more accociation with Verbobonc than they did with Furyondy.
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Verrik
(6/13/03 12:14 pm)
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Re: Thrommel / Horus
Blakey, I'd definitely go for the imposter thing!
A) It's a great idea in the tradition of many a swashbuckling movie
B) It'll give the players an adventure where roll-playing won't necessarily get them very far. I mean, "Thrommel" will have a lot of dependants, who will oppose PC nosy-parkers meddling in things they shouldn't. Imposter or not, he's putting bread on their tables and the PCs are a threat to that arrangement.
Check out The Corruption of Prince Thrommel in the BoB and add a paragraph about the double being in place and Bob's your uncle.
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DestyNova1
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(6/13/03 1:40 pm)
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Hmm
Anyone do a game where the players merely destroyed Thrommel instead of redeeming him? Not in just a 'Destroy all monsters!" sense, but something that actually had roleplaying.(Perhaps the PCs decided that he was to far gone, or there was never an oppertunity to find out the truth.
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DestyNova1
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(6/13/03 5:40 pm)
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Something to consider.
If DMs want to use the redemption option for Thrommel, it might be prudent to not have him hammer the PCs to hard when they encounter him. Giving some prior hints that this may be possible(Perhaps a quest from some leading figures of his home city) Would be a good idea, since PCs can be especialy vindictive after getting thrashed and may very well obliterate him out of spite.
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Belial
Faen
(6/16/03 9:40 pm)
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Re: Something to consider.
Going with the impostor thing would work well. I recall that on page 130 in the Living Greyhawk gazetteer there is mention of a Madman claiming to be Prince Thrommel being burnt to death. I’m not too sure why I remembered this…
Belial.
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Belial
Faen
(6/16/03 9:52 pm)
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Re: Something to consider.
Ah, I forgot to say he could be the one rescued from the original ToEE. Being paralysed and left to be staked (with a note) would be a very trying time, especially if he knew what the note said. The Real Prince may have been somewhere else the entire time… maybe being persuaded by some nasty little doomdreamers.
I even think the time and dates work.
The madman could be some sort of magical clone... left with the intention to throw off any would be heroes.
It's funny how I'd never really thought of it until now.
Belial.
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