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Offgall Fizziwigg
Faen
(8/4/03 11:10 am)
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Questions about the CRM
The CRM passages are pitch dark, correct? I know the entrance is lit, but as you move towards the basalisk, Margran and Vranthis, are the caverns lit in any way, or will the PCs have to light the way themselves? For that matter, how does Marlgrann see? Do ettins have dark or low-light vision? Or is his cave lit?

Infiniti2000
Verrik
(8/4/03 11:22 am)
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Re: Questions about the CRM
The passages are not lit, and yes, the group will have to carry lights, alerting would-be monsters to their presence earlier than otherwise. Ettins indeed have darkvision in 3.0. The 3.0 monster manual identifies darkvision and lowlight vision capabilities per monster type in the beginning of the book. As per 3.5, all vision capabilities are identified in the SQ for each monster. In 3.5, ettins no longer have darkvision (but have lowlight vision), so if you have converted to 3.5, it would not be a bad idea to give Marlgran a lamp and a box of flasks of oil.

Andorax
Verrik
(8/4/03 11:23 am)
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As I understand it, many of the sections (temples and bridge complexes) have notations about being lit. The in-between spaces, though? They're pitch dark.

Ettins do not have Darkvision (although they do have Low-Light). I would presume, then, that he ought to have some sort of light source as well...although none is mentioned in the module.

"Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"

Offgall Fizziwigg
Faen
(8/4/03 11:45 am)
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Okay, I was wondering how Marlgran would hear/see them coming if the PCs did not use the cart to ride (which my PCs won't). If they have to have lights, though, that should give Marlgran plenty of time to see them, though he will also have to have a light source now, which kind of sucks.

This bodes another question to me. If I am surrounded by darkness, but I have a light source, how far away can I see another light source? It doesn't seem to me that it would be the same as spotting a light source in complete darkness.

Offgall Fizziwigg
Faen
(8/4/03 11:49 am)
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Re: Questions about the CRM
Actually, I'll prolly give him several lamps to place throughout the area, still leaving plenty of dark patches but revealing vulnerable areas. That way there will not be a glow coming out of his sleeping area. I don't think he would put himself in a position to be trapped in his lair. Perhaps, I'll place a lamp on above the entrance to his lair, as well as having his lair lit.

Infiniti2000
Verrik
(8/4/03 1:32 pm)
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ezSupporter
Re: Questions about the CRM
"This bodes another question to me. If I am surrounded by darkness, but I have a light source, how far away can I see another light source? It doesn't seem to me that it would be the same as spotting a light source in complete darkness."

Even in light, You can still see another light from very far away. Sitting in my lighted dining room I can easily see the lights in a house across the retention pond and diagonally across the nearby lake (about 1/4 mile and 1/2 mile respectively) (yeah, weird, the pond and the lake are side-by-side, diagonally wrt to my house). I'd think up to 2 miles is no problem, given light of sight/effect. IMO of course.

Yeah, the change in vision does suck for many of the creatures in 3.5.

madfox
Verrik
(8/4/03 11:46 pm)
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In the case of your house though you are looking directly at the light source. In most dungeon settings though, you are more likely to see the glow around the corner. I have no idea how far that light reaches...

One thing, groups do NOT have to use a light source. I am running an all dwarf campaign and they never use a light source unless color becomes important. This sometimes makes it rather difficult to adjust descriptions of rooms in published adventures. One has to remove color and in some cases distance, though that is sometimes a problem for PCs with a light source as well. How is it that the authors of adventures thing the PCs can see a complete room with a length of 80 ft. from the entrance at one end of the room?

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