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Memunite
(10/20/03 9:04 pm)
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Siobharek - how'd you use the Binders?
Siobharek, you'd mentioned in your campaign log that you had decided to use Mak's idea of having the Binders be instrumental in releasing Big-T. I recall discussing this idea with you at some point a long ways back, but I don't recall reading any deatils of how you finally integrated them. I'm planning on using them myself as part of the RTTTOEE/BW crossover plot I'm weaving on-the-fly, so any ideas would be helpful. It's such a gosh-darn cool idea. :)

Care to share any details?

Siobharek 
Cherub
(10/20/03 11:11 pm)
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Re: Siobharek - how'd you use the Binders?
Because everybody knew that the campaign was ending after this adventure, I didn't do much with it. Their chief use were as a timing device.

I told the PCs about the Binders (through Varachan) and implied that the recovery of some of them were a ways off. That meant that the players realized that they weren't under such a severe deadline, and they allowed themselves to take some time off (a month, I think) for some magic items creation. Previously, they hadn't felt that, and as it is one of the major differences in 3rd Ed. from previous editions (remember that this was our first 3e campaign), I was only too happy to let them run with it a while.

In an ongoing campaign, I would have had Lareth vanish and go undercover until all the binders had been found. Then I would have devised 3 scenarios for the PCs to intercept the cult in its attempt to acquire the binders. The Earth binder would have been in the Mud Sorcerer's Tomb dungeon [old dungeon mag. adventure], the water binder deep in the ocean, maybe watched by the arch-mage Otiluke, and the air binder might have been held by an air genie pasha necessitating some heavy bargaining between the PCs, the cultists and the pasha.

But alas, such was not to be ;)

Siobharek
...it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

TrinityDM
Memunite
(10/21/03 8:54 pm)
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The Binders - Imix and Beyond
Very cool ideas. My group is presently in the Banewarrens (I've subbed that for the CRM), and one of the Binders is hidden there (I haven't decided which yet). The cult already has the Fire Binder, and will use it as soon as they figure out who the heck Lareth is (a ways away yet, but not too far off).

My thought was that the Binders would replace the elemental power gems. Each Binder would free its bound Prince when set into the Orb of Oblivion. However, I was thinking it would be interesting if the nodes were actually inside their respective Binders... that the nodes themselves were extradimensional prisons of the Princes, contained in the Binders somehow. But if the nodes were inside the Binders, I'm not sure how the Binder could be used in conjuction with the Orb of Oblivion by a Prince to leave his respective node. Talk about dimensional transcendentalism... :eek

BTW, for those unfamiliar with the Binders: their importance and history are detailed pretty extensively in Oerth Journal #1. I'm actually using a modified copy of this: the original described the Binders as being the prisons of the Genie Princes, but the modified copy I have (luckily downloaded from the now sadly defunct greyhawk-codex before it went kaput) has the Elemental Princes of Evil as the ones being imprisoned.

One of the ideas I'd really love to try out is a scenario where the PCs stop the Doomdreamers' plan by defeating Imix, but Lareth (or someone) grabs the Fire Binder and the Orb of Obvlivion and somehow opens a time rift and escapes through it. The moment he does, the world suddenly changes around the PCs: the Temple vanishes, and all around them they can see that the world has been blasted and turned into a twisted, blackened desert with mutants and various Far-Realm-like creatures running about. Lareth has somehow gone back in time and released Tharizdun. The PCs, because they have the Orb of Silvery Death and another Binder, were untouched by the change. Their only hope is to follow through the rift and set things right.

Of course, upon passing through the rift, the PCs find themselves in a place called Tovag Baragu, in the year -492 CY , surrounded by a dark-skinned race called the Bakluni. These Bakluni are very interested in this Binder the PCs have brought with them, just as a race called the Suel are interested in what Lareth has brought wth him[i/

Siobharek 
Cherub
(10/21/03 10:35 pm)
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Re: The Binders - Imix and Beyond
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However, I was thinking it would be interesting if the nodes were actually inside their respective Binders... that the nodes themselves were extradimensional prisons of the Princes, contained in the Binders somehow. But if the nodes were inside the Binders, I'm not sure how the Binder could be used in conjuction with the Orb of Oblivion by a Prince to leave his respective node.


That's an excellent idea! Maybe the nodes can only be accessed through the relevant rooms (on the lower Recovered Temple level) once the Binders are placed in the Orb of Oblivion.

The time-travel idea is truly epic. And the Bakluni/Suel setup is just too neat. Just make sure that Lareth's getaway is honest and not overly contrived. Otherwise the players may feel railroaded.

Siobharek
...it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

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