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JDragonatWork
Memunite
(11/3/03 1:17 pm)
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What would D’Gran do with the bodies of two attackers?
Ok, here’s the quick back ground. In a span of about 4 days the party has cleared the South Gate, the Air Temple, found the dwarven temple, killed the Hydra and wiped out the orcs east of the WBC.
The party then launched an attack on the WBC, first encountering the gnolls that were able to sound the alarm, which brought most of the residents of the WBC to repel the attack.
When it was all said and done one giant was dead along with the dire weasel and a few gnoll & human peons on the WBC side.
The party lost their half-orc brother cleric & paladin, which held the door so the rest of the group could get away.
So now the ? is what would D’Gran do with the bodies? Will he just dispose of them and keep their stuff, or notify the OF so a cleric could do speak with dead?
Also, the cleric had a scroll of raise dead, would the OF send a cleric to use it on the giant?
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JDragon
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JRedGiant
Memunite
(11/3/03 8:02 pm)
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Keep in mind
Keep in mind that D'Gran is an utter sadist. He'll probably have one of the characters raised with his own scroll and proceed to kill Descritad and have fun shot-putting at his new target.
I don't think he'd contact the OF. Much safer to contact the Fire Temple he "allegedly" works for and get one of them to help him out. They'd probably kick in a few mooks and the raise dead casting for a share of the loot.
Now, just because you raise the character doesn't mean he rejoins the party. I'd base this on how happy the player is with his new character...give him the option to take the rescued PC back or keep playing the new PC.
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 Infiniti2000
Cherub
(11/3/03 10:11 pm)
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Re: What would D’Gran do with the bodies of two attackers?
The person to be raised knows who is casting the raise dead and therefore would not return if it was a worshipper of the EEE or Tharizdun were calling him back. Raise dead requires a willing subject who knows the conditions surrounding the raise dead.
What to do depends a whole lot on whether you want the players to continue playing those characters. This is really an OOG question. If the players don't mind starting new characters, then D'Gran multilates the bodies, spiking one head to the north door and one to the south. The bodies would then be served as supper or fed to the dire bear and giants.
If the players want to return, then have Varachan find out about the event and demand that the bodies be returned, intact and with items. He'll then arrange to have the bodies and equipment given back to the party. If you need ideas on this, let us know. I'd also have him give one or a few magical items (maybe some money) from the bodies to D'Gran, however, to appease him. Such things would be common. Maybe D'Gran takes some money on his own. The point is not to screw the players too badly. They did die very heroically after all.
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JDragonatWork
Memunite
(11/5/03 9:32 am)
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Re: What would D’Gran do with the bodies of two attackers?
Well at this point since the bodies were lost to the bad guys the players have made new characters. (but I plan on bringing them back at some point as NPC's or PC's as celestials of some kind, but thats down the road aways.)
Its still a little early for Varachan to get involved as the complex has had several incursions that have done some damage but been repelled so far.
When this group comes back, and continues their assult, then enough information will make it to the OF/IF for Varachan to take notice.
What I'm really trying to figure out is will the bodies just get dumped/defiled by D'Gran or will he send them to the OF for a speak with dead or something along that lines?
Or would he just have the Fire Temple clerics do it now that they have easy access between the Fire Temple and the WBC. (see this thread -pub102.ezboard.com/fokayy...3356.topic )
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JDragon
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Trithereon
Cherub
(11/5/03 12:00 pm)
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Re: What would D’Gran do with the bodies of two attackers?
I think much would depend on just how successful your heroes have been and how infamous they have become to the CRM inhabitants. And just how much "news" gets around the CRM.
Has there been survivors from previous incursions to give a physical description of the invaders? Do they know these two dead guys are outsiders, infidels, or are they mercenary sent by one of the other Temples (or even the Fire Temple, if D'gran has displeased Tessimon)
Fratricide is a common element among the brotherhood of EEE worshipers. That means any attack my either be from infidels or believers. I suspect the later occurs more often then the former.
Who has sent the attackers? The bodies may contain important clues (holy symbols, letters and journals, personal effects). D'gran must be careful. If these attackers are actually from Tessimon then he'd best know it before facing her on her ground. If they were sent from another Temple then it may be part of a larger attack on the Fire Temple. It's a quandry. Is there a way for D'gran to determine the threat without Tessimon and her Temple? Does he go over Tessimon's head and go directly to the OF? Tessimon may not like that either.
Another issue is treasure. If D'gran tells Tessimon, or the OF, that he has the bodies then they may demand all the items found with the bodies. D'gran is likely greedy enough that he'd not want to loose any of the loot. The best policy is not to be too honest with the bosses. However, he has a several options: inform higher-ups (like Tessimon, or the OF) that they have bodies and to give up all of what's on their body; inform higher-ups but hold back selected items (magic, gems, etc ...), or keep it quiet and have all the loot to yourself.
It's not easy being a commander among the crazy EEE priests. To tell or not to tell? Whom to tell? Keep secrets or tell all?
Basically, I think D'gran will do all he can to find out where the threat has come from by himself. If need be he'll first seek out Tessimon, unless he suspects the threat came from her. Otherwise, the Doomdreamers may be of help ... but everyone knows that they are more deadly then the EEE priests. If he can get away with it, he'll like to keep all the treasure found on the heroes corpses for himself (and his cronies). His own safety comes first though.
Tough decisions. When your boss is a lawful good paladin you at least know what to expect. The CRM and Fanes are nuts!
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LostSoul
Memunite
(11/5/03 2:58 pm)
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D'Gran
D'Gran could use his Polymorph ability and the character's armour to pass himself of as said character. He could cause a lot of trouble in Rastor (or even Verbobonc) by doing this. The PCs will think he's undead - especially if they meet him and he goes to ground in his mist form. ("Vampire!")
Meanwhile, I think he'd hang on to the guy and use him to satisfy whatever whim comes his way, or sell him to one of the other temples for the same purpose.
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Infiniti2000
Cherub
(11/5/03 9:03 pm)
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Re: D'Gran
Using D'Gran to imitate a 'vampire' for the PC is a great idea. I don't think D'Gran would think of it, however, or even that he would want to do that. If someone in the Outer Fane knew about it, though, they might order D'Gran to do it.
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Renegade
Cherub
(11/5/03 9:09 pm)
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Re: D'Gran
Why on earth would Varachan give the bodies back to the party? Forgive any ignorance of the situation on my part, but someone giving orders to D'Gran must be evil, yes? Why would he help out a paladin?
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Infiniti2000
Cherub
(11/5/03 9:19 pm)
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Re: D'Gran
"Why on earth would Varachan give the bodies back to the party?"
To help out the good guys of course. Remember, Varachan has broken away from the cult of Tharizdun and is now a deity-less cleric. His boss, Hedrack, does not know this yet, however (otherwise he would be dead, or worse).
"Forgive any ignorance of the situation on my part, but someone giving orders to D'Gran must be evil, yes?"
No. Someone giving orders to D'Gran must merely be one in charge. As for as anyone knows, Varachan is still second in command of the Outer Fane, and therefore higher ranking than anyone in the CRM.
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Renegade
Cherub
(11/5/03 9:54 pm)
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Re: D'Gran
Ah. I stand corrected, then.
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fenzer
Mortal
(11/14/03 3:03 pm)
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D'Gran and Dead bodies
I had D'Gran use the bodies as corpse bombs. I strung them up in the south corridor by the gong. This was done as a warning to the survivors. It was not headed and body parts flew.
I knew D'Gran probably had no real way of doing this but I wanted him to make an impression. He did. 
I also had him keep the loot. I figured he looked at it as payment, reimbursement for losses sustained in combat.
Edited by: fenzer at: 11/15/03 11:35 pm
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