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Ashrem Bayle
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(11/12/03 8:42 am)
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Awesome game aid you guys should see.
Take a look at here: www.bc-products.net/

Last night I had the pleasure of playing with the inventors of these things. It was also my first session playing in the Temple of EE, which is quiet possible the mother of all Dungeon Crawls and a great way to put the Tact-tiles to the test.

In short: I'm getting a set ASAP.

These things are awesome. The DM already had most of the enviroment pre-drawn. As we entered new areas, he just dropped the tiles in place as needed. This is one of the biggest advantages in my opinion. He didn't have to spend a lot of time drawing mid-game, and we didn't know what an area looked like until he dropped down a new tile.

Room on the table was never a problem. Tiles were added as we advanced, and areas we passed through were removed. This worked really well as the tiles are dry erase so the DM could erase them in seconds and plop them down again as needed. Sure beats wasting a roll of paper towels.

The tiles are about 1/8" thick, very strudy, and interlock with a tight tolerance. All of that, coupled with a slick underside allowed the entire "mat" to be slid around the table as needed. Player can't reach his mini? Slide the whole dungeon over to him.

Anyone running RttToEE or any "dungeon crawl" adventure should seriously consider these.

Edited by: Ashrem Bayle at: 11/12/03 9:10 am
Andorax
Cherub
(11/12/03 9:32 am)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
Seems to be pretty cool, but expensive. I'm used to running a 5'x4' whiteboard (which would take a basic and an expanded set put together and run me close to $100).

Honestly, unless someone's dead-set on the nifty interlocking nature of them, I think your average DM would be better off buying a sheet of Whiteboard material (4' x 8' for less than $10 at Home Depot) and cutting it down to whatever size is required. Big-board work good for you? Leave it big. Want something more modular like Tact-tiles? Cut it down to 1' squares.

"Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"

Ashrem Bayle
Memunite
(11/12/03 9:43 am)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
The big advantage I see over doing that is:

1. The Tact-tiles are pre-lined. You don't have all the time and work involved.

2. They interlock. If you just cut out a bunch of white board squares, you can't easily move them together and they easily come apart. Interlock a few Tact-Tiles and you can slide them around the game table together if you need to.

3. A big whiteboard is a pain. It takes up way too much room on the game table. The tiles can be extended and retracted as needed. You'll likely never need more than 12 of them.

Killiak 
Dynama
(11/12/03 10:23 am)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
That is very cool. This topic is now in my favorites for when I do win the lottery... :D

benhamtroll
Cherub
(11/12/03 12:57 pm)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
If they start selling them through FLGS, I'll buy some. The $9 shipping per set is a bit steep.


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Andorax
Cherub
(11/12/03 2:20 pm)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
To each their own, and to those with the bucks to spend on it, more power to them.

I don't have the funds to drop, have found that "gridlining" is an easy afternoon project for a full board, and would have serious problems with only a dozen of these tiles. I have frequently had fights that scarce fit on my own 4x5 board, so I would need the added space.

"Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"

Ordos1
Memunite
(11/12/03 5:52 pm)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
They seem good.

I've tried various things:

1) drawing dots on small graph paper and mving the dots around by erasing -- very hard.
2) Using a roll-up battle map -- which is good, but the problems are 2 fold... (1) Sometimes the markers stain the plastic battlemat (which we sloved by putting an acetate over the mat) and (2) you need to erase the acetate at times.
3) And i have to try this one -- but i think it will be the best. I bought large sheets of 1-inch size graph paper. The advantage of this is (1) No more stains -- its on paper, (2) you KEEP what you've drawn (to me this is a biggie! so you don't wind up drawing the same room 50 times if the PCs come and go). The drawback -- its paper :) if you're environmentally friendly ;) but one roll is about 30 sheets -- which should last a FAIRLY long time and its only about 15$ at Staples (Bureau en Gros en Canada).

My ideal would be to hook up a PC and projector and move PCs along scanned maps on the wall :rollin

*ahhhhhh money * :)

Thats my 2 cents.

ZansForCans 
Cherub
(11/12/03 9:36 pm)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
Wow, those are expensive. A player of mine has a collection of 8-12 (can't remember the exact number) ~8-1/2 x 11 inch standard overhead marker tiles that are marked with 1-inch grid that he got a GenCon a few years back. I think they were around $15, but I can't remember the company. As opposed to a battlemat, they are very stiff and very glossy, so they are much harder to stain (i.e. they clean up faster). It is great to have a system that you can expand like this by adding a tile. We use it as a backup for our battlemaps. I'm not sure how well it's going to work for the CRM though with the huge rooms.

I've used a variety of things now all in this one campaign. I like my battlemat the best for encounters that will fit on it. But we have used the tiles for fights in corridors or small rooms. I bought one of those pads of grid paper as well that Ordos1 mentions and pre-drawn large, set locations on them like the Temple grounds (it just barely fit on one sheet at 30' per square!) and the CRM Main entrance. The annoying thing with paper is that I feel less desire to draw on it. I know there are clear overlays as well, but that's one too many accessory for me ;)


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Helderik
Memunite
(11/13/03 2:26 am)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
I'm using a very cheap idea I came up with some time ago. I plotted some nice grids on normal paper (size A2 and A3). After that, I went to a copy-shop and had them sealed in plastic. This costed me about 6 euro's (which I guess could even be a lot cheaper with acces to a plotter and sealing-device).

They work very nice considering their low cost. They are perfectly erasable and I've got a number of "tiles" or sheets. They dont lock tight together, but a simple piece of tape fixes that problem. The A3-format fits perfectly in a standard plastic bag so they are easy to bring along.

Sure, if I had the money, I guess these tiles are very useful. However, my cheap solution works for me. And in case of some unremovable stains, I will just fix me some new grids...

msherman
Kalkydrite
(11/15/03 3:01 pm)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
Thanks for the tips, Andorax... I just picked up a few 2'x4' sheets of white board material at home depot, and cut it up into 22 1' square tiles (the angle on my miter saw was mis-adjusted for the first cut, so I scrapped two pieces). What do you use to mark the gridlines, an exacto knife? I've done some experiments with that on the scrap pieces, and find the surface flakes a bit around the scored line.

I'm used to using a mega-mat, but find that I frequently need more space, so I'm hoping this helps. In particular, the ability to pull a tile off one end, erase it, and stick it on the other end should come in handy with the long running battles that tend to happen in the CRM.

Anyone have any brilliant ideas for a cheapo home depot solution to connecting the tiles so they don't slide apart too much on the table?

Edited by: msherman at: 11/15/03 3:12 pm
JoeSchmoe
Memunite
(11/15/03 9:10 pm)
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Re: Awesome game aid you guys should see.
Try rubber shelf liner, the same type of stuff used under rugs to prevent them from sliding around on wood or tile floors. Use 3M spray-on glue or Goop (also from Home Depot) to attach it.

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