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JRedGiant
Memunite
(11/19/03 10:31 am)
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Recitation
Is the Air Elemental that Fachish summons considered to venerate the EEE or Yan-C-Bin? Fachish will be packing Recitation (DotF) IMC and so it becomes somewhat important.

For that matter...just for debate, are Tharizdun/EEE worshippers treated as the same faith for the purposes of this and similar spells?

My opinion is yes on the first, no on the second, but submitted to the Hivemind for your thoughts.

Infiniti2000
Cherub
(11/19/03 10:37 am)
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ezSupporter
Re: Recitation
I say Yes on both counts. In fact, IMC, I have the clerics (and even non-clerics) call to both the Evil Prince(ss) of that element or to the EEE interchangeably. I think the four beings are merely separate manifestations of the same divinity in the eyes of the EEE (no pun intended). Therefore, whether the elemental venerates Yan-C-Bin or the EEE, it's the same.

You don't choose to use them interchangeably, then treat the princes as merely powerful beings and not deities in their own right. That is, the air elemental would not worship Yan-C-Bin, but would actually worship the EEE (and thus unknowingly Tharizdun). Yan-C-Bin in that case would really only be the most powerful force that the EEE has to represent the element of air.

Thus, if Fachish uses recitation and some earth temple worshippers are present (and on his side), they also get the bigger benefit of the spell.

deafdungeonmasterRIT
Cherub
(11/19/03 1:42 pm)
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hmm
That should be more to spell list, but I understand the purpose of this question though.

Normally, this is for good align cleric. It is okay to make an exception to make the game more intense. After all, that is what house rule is for.

Siobharek 
Cherub
(11/20/03 5:18 am)
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ezSupporter

Re: hmm
Recitation just for Good-aligned clerics? Where do you get that? Unless they'r emarked as specifically [aligned] spells, all spells are for everyone, aren't they?

Siobharek
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Signifying nothing.

JRedGiant
Memunite
(11/20/03 5:44 am)
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Re: Recitation
This was my feeling as well, but I don't have DotF handy - it's at the house where we normally game. Is it a "good" spell? I'll check on it before my session for sure.

Flavor-wise you could make a case for it, however I've seen evil clerics in the module packing Bless. Plus, the "good guys" frequently pack spells that would flavor as evil even if they aren't, such as Enervation or Blindness/Deafness.

Siobharek 
Cherub
(11/20/03 5:51 am)
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ezSupporter

Re: Recitation
Recitation is just prayer on steroids. I'd certainly house-rule it available to all.

Siobharek
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Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

deafdungeonmasterRIT
Cherub
(11/20/03 8:04 am)
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hmm
Lemme check on it. I have a feeling that it is for good align priest.

9 months and no gaming session! It sucks!

deafdungeonmasterRIT
Cherub
(11/24/03 11:19 am)
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hmm
This spell is for good align. It is the use of holy symbol to make it work. There is no use mention of Unholy symbol. Therefore, it is good for good align (or neutral of good align) cleric.

Andorax
Cherub
(11/24/03 12:45 pm)
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Re: hmm
Actually, deafdungeonmasterRIT, the term "holy symbol" is used to describe the divine focus of any given cleric, regardless of alignment. "Unholy symbol" is an archaic term from past editions that crept it's way into some earlier 3rd edition works (RttToEE included).


To answer everyone's question:

Recitation is a Conjuration (Creation) spell. It has NO alignment descriptor.

It requires an additional focus beyond the regular Divine Focus of the caster...a "sacred text" from which the sacred passage or declaration is read. Consider what sort of "sacred text" a cleric of the EEE might have laying around, and be sure to prepare for that if the PCs go poking around in it.

Please don't assume that phrases like "holy symbol" or "sacred text" are meant to imply one alignment in lieu of another. If a spell is meant to be alignment-limited, it will bear the alignment descriptor.

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