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Taelohn
Memunite
(11/24/03 8:36 pm)
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Black Spike - for sale?
After the quest was completed and the mines/temples cleared out, my party invested in some adamantine swords, and bit by bit, cut apart the tower and sold the materials (the adamantine portions, specifically). This seemed sorta weird to me, but nothing suggested they couldn't...

All that adamantine was worth quite a lot of gold, so I considered it a quest-end reward for them, in a way. One of the players asked if anyone else that did the quest ever tried something like this, so I'm wondering. Has it happened to anyone else, or is this a thus-far unique get-rich-quick scheme? (Well, not quick, given the hundreds of monsters that need to be defeated first, but whatever). ;)

Kenmis 
Mortal
(11/24/03 9:50 pm)
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My party did a very similar thing. They tore down the adamantine door and stuffed it in a portable hole. Using some sloppy math and a bit of physics, we determined the adamantine door to be a bit over 8 tons, which works out to roughly 16 million gold peices in value.

Fortunatly, it didn't mess with party balance at all. The PC's basicly bankrolled their own soverign nation and began trading with the war-ravaged Furyundy, which was desperatly in need for adamantine due to it's perminent war with Iuz.

The up side from a balance standpoint is setting up a endeavor like that takes a LONG time, and the players pretty much left it in charge of Varachan (who had converted to Corellon Lorethian and ran their fortress while they were out adventuring, which in itself was a nice tidy way to avoid the party from suddenly getting ANOTHER 12th level cleric).

The way I have it worked out, by the time the party finishes their final adventure (bastion of broken souls) their country will be up and running and they'll retire from adventuring as rulers and millionaires. Sounds like a nice campaign ending to me! :)

Infiniti2000
Cherub
(11/25/03 8:16 am)
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I think it's interesting, certainly, but IMO out of whack. 16 million gp for just defeating the door? That's not even remotely possible to put into the CR scale. With the funding of the sovereign nation, that might help put a better balance on things, but that's a major swing in the campaign. It definitely has advantages, but I'm not sure if that's the way I want my campaign to go. Of course, I have time (they have not breached the Outer Fane IMC), so I'll think about it.

To not allow the PC's to walk away with so much wealth, I'm thinking the following:

1. I'm an old school comics fan, so I like using adamantium. I also prefer that adamantium cannot be reforged, so the door materials are very interesting, but otherwise useless. Given it's value though, maybe a wish could be used to make it reforgeable (25K at a time?). Or, you could just rule that it require 10x the amount of time to reforge it. 160 million sp is loooong time.

2. Perhaps the adamantine is really just a plating on top of an iron door. Pick a more reasonable number (even 50,0000GP worth) of material.

3. Perhaps the evil of Tharizdun infuses the material and expensive and long rites are required to purify it.

Other things you have to think about is where did the door come from. If the Doomdreamers really had 16 million gp at their disposal, would they spend it on a CR12 door? How many iron golems would that be worth?

arcane12
Memunite
(11/25/03 1:36 pm)
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Hmm, even with adamantium short swords they would have issues - 20 hardness - it would take a mighty blow to hurt something like that. Under 3.5 adamatium weapons ignore hardness of anything with hardness _less_ than 20.

smetzger
Memunite
(11/26/03 9:22 am)
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Quote:
1. I'm an old school comics fan, so I like using adamantium. I also prefer that adamantium cannot be reforged, so the door materials are very interesting, but otherwise useless.


I would also go with "cannot be reforged." But this doesn't mean the door is useless or valueless. It just means it must be used in its present shape. It could be unhinged and used for a door somewhere else.

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